Well, the BBCs report of David Cameron's interview on the subject of dead teenagers is still in 'this is a problem that affects all of us' country.
But the further away from the liberal blind eye you move, the more people seem to be opening their eyes.
Even the Indie seems, while still tiptoing, at least to be tiptoing around the actual problem.
There are sensitive issues involved. These latest shootings have fallen under the category of so-called "black-on-black" crime. It is clear that there is a significant lack of positive role models for young black boys. Black fathers often play too small a role in the lives of their children.
Makes a change from the usual stuff about demonising single mothers, doesn't it ?
The Indie is still the Indie though.
There are wider social issues here too. Deprivation must bear some of the blame.
In the 1920s there was deprivation - real as well as relative - which makes Peckham look like the wealthy place it is. There were also a couple of million young men around who'd served in World War One, and an awful lot of trophy pistols on the top of the wardrobe. And low crime - including gun crime.
Joseph Harker in the Guardian is a lot closer.
This is not about guns ... Much attention has focused on the fact that many victims, and their killers, are black - which is impossible to ignore, though it makes many people uncomfortable ... Fathers have continued to abandon mothers, who feel they have to cope even though they've lost their traditional support. Children have often been the ones to suffer ... This is not to blame single parents for their circumstances. It takes a mother and a father to raise a child.
The Times hits the nail :
Gun crime has risen inexorably in the past two decades — despite a dip of 14 per cent last year. But it is highly localised, and involves the Afro-Caribbean population disproportionately ... At heart is the breakdown, or often complete absence, of family structure, especially within the black community ... It is not just a question of money: millions have been spent in Brixton and elsewhere in South London since riots 20 years ago. It is a question of changing a culture ...
While the Telegraph gets the problem but misses a solution.
The truth is that the laws relating to possession of guns are nowhere near tough enough.
As a commenter said :
It is foolish to talk of mandatory minimum sentences. You know who will get these: the farmer who has an irregularity in his paperwork, not the gang member. For the former is an easy collar for the police (driven by Home Office targets) yet the latter is not. So the farmer does 5 years, 10 years, 15 years (whatever wins the politicians auction) and the gangster never even gets caught.
I think we've seen a few of these already.
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