Thursday, August 18, 2011

Breivik Massacre - The Hidden Hand

I'm not a terribly frequent visitor to Lenin's Tomb - the author, unable to emulate his murderous namesake in the real world, compensates by getting very abusive with commenters who stray from the Party line - and, like Neville Chamberlain, I am a man of peace to the depths of my soul.

But, as chance would have it, I was over there a week or two ago, in that short period between the Norway massacre and the UK riots, and was idly browsing his visitor stats - he's obviously a cheapskate like me who won't pay for the full, private version. What sort of people, I wondered, read this stuff - he gets between 3 and 4 thousand hits a day ? A lot of Septics, I noted - getting on for 50% of the traffic and seemingly somewhat biased towards the great universities of the West and East coasts. It figures.

Anyway, I idly followed a link to a site that seemed to be providing a fair few readers to the Tomb on that 6th August. In fairness to him, we can't control who links to us - and as I say when I reciprocate a link, that doesn't constitute an endorsement.


"It appears that Breivik was led on his way by, and probably financed by, that mysterious group that met in London in 2002. He would have been one of a number of 'sleepers' whose legend was prepared for when they were needed (they would also have set up the complicated legal structure to hide the source of financing). That is what authorities should be looking at (but of course won't, as they tend to shy away from real power).

Once you get over the 'lone nut' lie, anybody could have been using Breivik to accomplish their wicked ends. That's when we start to look at motive, and ask the very reasonable question of which group which tends to use covert means and false flag attacks had a big motive to send a violent message to the Norwegian political class at this time. "

Who could these mysterious, wealthy backers be, who might want to send a message to the Norwegians* ?

The commenters are in no doubt at all.

(Top rated) "9/11 and oslo/2011 came out of the same shop"

"There are few readers in the States who will make the connection between Oslo Accords, the assassination of Rabin and the emergence of this Breivik character, who attacks the very capital where it happened, from where the Peace Prize is given, and where the kids on the island were calling for boycott. This looks like an attack on the former broker of a peace process which conceded that Palestinians had rights."

"in all these attacks, there is never a single dead jew"
(really ? LT)

"breivik thoroughly zionized. it would be mossad or some other part of jewry."

There's no doubt that if you go far enough round to the left, you end up coming back from the right. On the dark side they're pretty close.

"The point, like the point of the conspiracy behind the fertilizer bombing of the Murrah Bldg. in Oklahoma City, is to terminate anti-immigration, anti-Zionist, and anti-Semitic right wing nationalism"

Well, if Mossad really did set up the massacre for their own nefarious ends, they've improved their organisation since their last outing to Norway, when they shot dead a perfectly inoffensive Moroccan waiter under the impression that he was the Chief of Operations for the Black September terrorist group.

Still, call me old fashioned or lacking in imagination, but I still can't quite picture Israel setting up the slaughter of scores of kids, and car-bombing the Norwegian PM, in order either to give the UAF a stick to beat the EDL with, to teach those uppity Norwegians which side their bagels are buttered, or to discredit the (generally sober and reasoned) Gates of Vienna website. The means seems wholly disproportionate to the end, for starters - quite apart from the whole 'morality' bit.

But some people obviously can ...

* It transpires that the Norwegians were withdrawing their air contribution from the NATO force in Afghanistan, and that the Labour Party youth section had passed pro-Palestinian resolutions. You learn something new every day.

UPDATE - from one of the comments it seems that gentle irony goes straight past some people...


Anonymous said...

When in doubt, think of the USS Liberty.

When I was a nice, pro-Jewsih, pro-Israeli, sort-of-liberal type, I was appalled to read this story.

I dearly, dearly wanted it to be a genuine Israeli mistake, I couldnt bear the cognative dissonance it engendered.

But the way the way the attack was sustained, air and sea make this frankly unbelieveable.

One must regard that wiki article itself as attempting to help the coverup of course.

The Israeli pilots are supposed to have thought it looked like a destroyer.

No, it doesnt. A British Leander frigate maybe?

There were fears it was a Soviet ship. The Israelis would carry out an act of war against the USSR, while Israel was already fighting a war on three fronts?


The cynical, evil, conspiracy theorist view is that the ship was meant to sink nice and quickly, no survivors naturally, and it would be blamed on Egypt. Thus helping to turn US opinion against Egypt and perhaps even getting direct US support in the war.

Anonymous said...

Meant to add more...

Anyhow google away folks, tons of links about the Liberty false flag attack.

Many more than when I forst read about it in the 90s.

Anonymous said...

But there is usually a lot more going on behind the scenes than most of the public are aware of.

France vs Qaddafi

Always makes to suspicious when the media try to present something as neat and tidy, nothing more to see blah blah.

Laban said...

Oh dear. It looks as if my gentle irony has gone straight past some people.

The Liberty was a dirty deed which still IMHO lacks rational explanation (like the US attack on the Iranian airliner), but one that took place in the middle of a war (as did the Iranian airliner attack).

I really don't see any parallel.

Many states in time of war or crisis will take extreme actions, but the idea that the policy of the Norwegian Labour Party or the reputation of the EDL are critical to Israel's existence is frankly barmy.

I'm sure it'll all come out in the trial. Anyone who writes as much as that guy is likely to have a lot to say for himself - unless he suddenly wakes up and realises the enormity of his crime.

Laban said...

Now the Froggies v Gaddafi is a different story. France has interests to defend and is being rational if cynical about them. I've commented before on that, in the context of Ivory Coast.

Anonymous said...

Gates of Vienna has been floating various ludicrous conspiracy theories about the incident too. From what I can gather so far, the conspiracy seems to have been a joint effort between the CIA, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Russians, the Chinese, the Chechens and the Masons.

It's tragic that so many Counterjihadists seem to be mimicking the jihadists they claim to be countering in their response to an act of terrorism.

First they repudiate the perpetrator, denying he was "one of us"; then they develop lunatic conspiracy theories about it.

Anonymous said...

The counterjihadis are a waste of time if not outright dangerous.

In essence they ask us to believe that somehow the shambolc muslims have put together an evil plan to take over the west.


The muslims are merely pawns in the game and the sooner this ridculous neocon counterjihadi fools are exposed or recant the better.

Edwin Greenwood said...

Mark my words, Sunny Hundal is behind all of this. No-one could look that self-satisfied and not be up to something.

Note the striking resemblance between Hundal and Saif al-Islam Gaddafi. It is clear that Hundal is not the Punjabi race-hustler he purports to be but is in fact a son of Muammar Gaddafi working undercover.

Breivik was in fact a Libyan agent!

WV: recep. Aha, a coded message from Google. So the the Turks are in on it too. So that's why Erdo─čan is in Somalia.

Laban said...

You are right that he's involved in everything. When the BNP were gaining council seats he stood as a candidate under the name Sharif Gawad.

Only Sunny would have the brass neck to join the BNP under such a name. He must be watched closely ;-)

Annoying Oik said...

It would be a strange country that told its public everything its James Bonds were getting up to. I expect the official narrative to not match the evidence from time to time.

I don't believe in the official 9/11 story but even so...

There is quite an interesting 3 part interview of Steve Pieczenik by Alex Jones on youtube.

From wiki: In 1974, Pieczenik joined the U.S. State Department as a consultant to restructure its Office for the Prevention of Terrorism...In 1977, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Mary McGrory described Stephen Pieczenik as "one of the most 'brilliantly competent' men in the field of terrorism."

So this Steve Pieczenik feller knows a thing or two about terrorism.

Anyway, throughout the interview Alex Jones tries to shoehorn Brievik into the neocon-false-flag narrative. Pieczenik is having none of it. Pieczenik says Breivik is the real McCoy. Exactly what everyone in the field of anti-terrorism have been dreading.

Does Alex Jones think his audience are too stupid to see any other possibility?

For me, an interesting thing over the last few weeks is watching how different factions desperatley try to shoehorn events, like the riots, or Breivik, into their existing narrative.

I'm including lefties trying to make out looters are looting because the Tories might close their local library.

What does it mean? Why do they do it?

Is it to cover Sunny Hundal's tracks?

Anonymous said...

The Phony (Mossad) Al Qaeda Cell in Palestine

The FBI lists Gadahn's aliases as Abu Suhayb Al-Amriki, Abu Suhayb, Yihya Majadin Adams, Adam Pearlman, and Yayah.

But Adam Pearlmen is his REAL name! Adam is the grandson of the late Carl K. Pearlman; a prominent Jewish urologist in Orange County. Carl was also a member of the board of directors of the Anti-Defamation League, which was caught spying on Americans for Israel in 1993, much as AIPAC has been caught up in the more recent spy scandal.

Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a "racist cult."

Abu Tallah Al-Amrikee, the "muslim" who threatened South Park using the above website, is really named Zachary Adam Chesser!

Marc Dutroux: A Jewish child sex ring kidnapped French
girls as young as eight, raped them, and murdered them


(What, you think these organs came from WILLING victims of Jewish Ritual Human Sacrifice? How droll.)

Organ Failure
The arrests of rabbis who trafficked body parts uncover more complicated issues.

By Benyamin Cohen|Posted Friday, July 24, 2009, at 4:11 PM ET

With the right ingredients of salaciousness and scandal, the news appeared to be straight out of a Hollywood screenplay: corrupt politicians, money laundering, people being arrested by the busload, raids on synagogues, an Apple Jacks cereal box stuffed with $97,000 in cash, and rabbis trafficking organs. Allegedly, one paid $10,000 to an impoverished Israeli for his or her kidney and tried to sell it for upward of $150,000 in the United States. The criminal complaint quotes the rabbi as saying he was in the organ business for a decade. (And in a you-can't-make-this-stuff-up twist, it wasn't even the day's only story on Israelis trafficking human body parts.)