Tuesday, June 30, 2009

British Jobs For Foreign Workers

I wrote a while back :

" Some say mass immigration is the Left's revenge on the working class for the Thatcher years, but that implies a degree of planning and forethought so is unlikely. It's more a cultural thing, but it does neatly coincide with a need for cheap workers.

People like Johann Hari and some Guardian commenters are calling for an increase in the minimum wage as the answer to the "problem" - the problem being that the natives are restless. They've missed the point. Keeping wages low are what it's all about... inflation has been 'hidden' over the last 10 years via a combination of the Chinese miracle (goods) and mass immigration/offshoring (services)"

Fraser Nelson in the Speccie :

The key finding: there are fewer British-born workers in the first quarter of 2009 than Q1 of 1997. The trend of employers preferring immigrants, which we saw during the boom, has become more marked still during the bust.

"The figures show the extent to which Brown’s “boom” was a mirage built not just on debt, but foreign labour. Most seriously, we can see a deep dysfunctionality in the UK labour market. Our system keeps millions on benefits (never less than 5 million have been on some kind of benefits since 1997) while meeting the needs of expanding the economy with a limitless supply of industrious immigrant labour. This means that the direct link between a growing economy and combating poverty is broken."
The latest release is here, but Nelson's got some more figures on Google docs.

"At no point in the boom did the number on out-of-work benefits fall below five million souls. Almost half have been on welfare for five years or more – and are, therefore, statistically more likely to die than to work again (I think he means more likely to die before retirement age - we're all going to die). As I say, were it not for immigration, we’d be forced to confront this problem or our economy would not grow. When I was a business journalist in the late 1990s, I remember writing stories about how bus companies were recruiting in homeless shelters because they couldn’t find the staff. The people in those shelters were being offered structure to their lives, from an employer forced by economic conditions to deal with the greater risk they pose. It was a sign of economic growth addressing social problems – as it should be.

But mass immigration has broken this link. It meant Gordon Brown could actually afford to keep so many million on benefits, as tax receipts were being generated by comparative newcomers. It was a lot easier than trying to reform welfare. Scandalously, that’s what Brown did. To my mind, it is the most contemptible failure of his time as Chancellor. He had the money, the economic boom, to sort out the welfare dependency that afflicts so many communities in Britain. But he took the easy, short term route. To use that analogy the Prime Minister is so fond of deploying, he walked on by on the other side. Why get your hands (and poll ratings) dirty with welfare reform when you can rely on immigrants to keep the economy growing and tax receipts flowing? And who wants to end up with disabled people chaining themselves to the railings of parliament, as happened when Blair tried welfare reform? Brown took the easy option. And his short-termism has condemned millions to worklessness and poverty who might otherwise have escaped it. "

To be fair, Blair is equally culpable. They bottled out on welfare reform because they could.

UPDATE - Telegraph :

The increase in immigrant workers coming to Britain has accounted for nearly every new job created by companies since Labour came to power, research suggests.

The number of British workers aged between 16 and 65 in the private sector has actually declined by nearly 90,000 since 1997, according to an analysis of official employment data.

These figures show that 1.1 million new jobs have been created in the public sector of which 28 per cent went to non British workers.

In the private sector there were 1.8 million new jobs, but 85 per cent went to non British workers.


Anonymous said...

I would love to know what proportion of the Public Sector jobs created in the last 12 years by New Labour went to us 'natives'.

Judging by my Local Council, Tower Hamlets, and my local DSS, about 80% seem to have been taken by BMEs.


Anonymous said...

Its quite well documented that long term ethnic minorities show lower rates of employment than the indigenous population. In that case for every new job they have, we have added to the long term dependent numbers. So no net gain at all there I suspect.

Its the typical hardworking Poles etc who have been the ones underwriting the set-up. Problem though is that long term they and their descendants will tend to assimilate to the white norm I suspect.* Which means of course to keep the whole show on the road we will need more immigrants.

*Has anybody ever bothered to survey the descendants of the post-WW2 Polish settlement here? Are they any more or less likely to be employed than those of British origin. I suspect that there is little to mark them out at all. In other words the perfect immigrants, we dont even notice them.

Anonymous said...

Your chart appears to show that NOT ONE of the new private sector (ie real, wealth-creating) jobs went to British-born people in Q1 2009.

Is that acually true?

Frightening if so.

mark said...

A large percentage of the immigrants in London work in the financial sector, retail, construction and in restaurant/hospitality.

Many of these workers will lose their jobs over the next few years as these sectors shrink (thus far it appears that manufacturing has been hit hardest).

The question is how many of the extra 1.5mm will go back whence they came. Unlike past recessions people are a lot more mobile and will 'love you and leave you' so to speak. London is an expensive place to live without a job especially for someone used to an over inflated London salary.

For what its worth when I left my City job recently I returned to my native New Zealand. I think that a large number of skilled Western Europeans, Antipodeans and Nth Americans will leave. Not sure about what migrant workers from E. Europe and sub-continent will do.

Dammitall! said...

It is sickening, heartbreaking, and it makes we wish for a gun. BUT it needs to be asked, how many BRITISH jobs actually ARE there?
About 85 years ago Hilaire Belloc, writing LONG before the term 'Multinational' had been coined, saw the thing in all its horror. He warned that, in business, it was becoming impossible to find out who owned what, or who was resposnsible for some action, or to whom to complain when something failed, because few large concerns had identifiable brain-centres in any one place or country.

So, if we've allowed control to slip out of our hands - AND THERE WERE WARNEINGS - we are reaping the rewards of our parents' and grandparents' letting multinationals
steal our future.

Anonymous said...

"Its the typical hardworking Poles etc who have been the ones underwriting the set-up. Problem though is that long term they and their descendants will tend to assimilate to the white norm I suspect.* Which means of course to keep the whole show on the road we will need more immigrants."

There's nothing to assimilate to. That's how dire our demographic situation is. You're more likely to see Urdu speaking Poles before then.

Revolution Harry said...

"... but that implies a degree of planning and forethought so is unlikely."

If only that were so Laban. Mass immigration is mostly about the destruction of nationality and national identity. The agenda is World Government with all that that entails.

“Behind the division of humanity stand those Enlightened Ones whose right and privilege it is to watch over human evolution and to guide the destinies of men…This they do through the implanting of ideas in the minds of the world thinkers, so that these ideas in due time receive recognition and eventually become controlling factors in human life. They train the members of the New Group of World Servers in the task of changing these ideas into ideals. These in turn become the desired objectives of the thinkers and are then taught to the powerful middle class and worked up into world forms of governments or religion, thus forming the basis of the New World Order.”

Alice Bailey, Occultist (she was a disciple of the founder of Theosophy, Helena Blavatsky and went on to run the society with her husband 33ยบ freemason Foster), eminent Fabian and Head of the Lucis Trust (formerly known as the Lucifer Trust that prints and disseminates UN material and enjoys a powerful 'consultative status').

Another Fabian H. G. Wells wrote in 1940, in his book the New World Order, that: "It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the new world order....and will die protesting against it."

In 1953 in The Impact of Science on Society by Fabian Socialist Bertrand Russell he writes: " I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is mass psychology....Various results will soon be arrived at: that the influence of home is obstructive....although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated. When the technique has been perfected, every government that has been in charge of education for a generation will be able to control its subjects securely without the need of armies or policemen.... Educational propaganda, with government help, could achieve this result in a generation. There are, however, two powerful forces opposed to such a policy: one is religion; the other is nationalism....A scientific world society cannot be stable unless there is a world government.

Then we have Gordon Brown speaking of a New World Order along with Mikhail Gorbachev, George Bush, Barack Obama, the Pope, Bill Clinton and many others.

It's time to wake up folks. Do the research and try and get past the 'mass psychology' (mind control) that there is no 'conspiracy' and all 'conspiracy theorists' are dribbling nutjobs with nothing better to do. There is a conspiracy, it's the creation of a World Government along with a World Currency, Army and even Religion and it's staring you in the face.

As soon as the Irish get railroaded into voting yes then the Lisbon treaty will be the final blow to Britain and all the nations in her, especially England. One more step along the road to the European 'Tower of Babel' and World Government.

There'll be another big step when the second phase of the man made financial collapse occurs later this year.

Anonymous said...

I am not a believer in conspiracy easily, but come on Laban, how can you possibly keep maintaining that this mass-immigration was all just an accident?
You can look back years and see its progression step by step, its been planned clearly.

Although the blog post is interesting as always, I don't agree with the sentiments that seem to suggest mass immigration is good for the tax receipts, just not good for the working class.
What we have seen in the last 10 years is not a real boom, its a bubble that has now popped and hasn't yet finished contracting.
Many of these jobs created during this fake boom with disappear faster than they were created.
The jobs many of the immigrants came to do are not real, long lasting and sustainable, and we will now have serious costs as we have to deal with the collapse.

Anonymous said...

It should also be noted ofcourse, that the bubble boom was created by massive government and personal borrowing partly induced by artifically low interest-rates.
Therefore the jobs created in this boom, were not paid for by generating wealth, they were paid for by future generations of taxpayer, which is one reason so few people complained about it at the time.
They thought someone else was gonna get the bill.

Anonymous said...

Laban, have you read this article about Clement Attlee ?


Martin said...


I think we've been saying the same kind of thing for years.

Garbanzo said...

Revolution Harry and Anon@6.25pm are correct. The mess Britain is in is no great accident – the reasons why go beyond the ‘incompetence’ of New Labour. It’s no coincidence that every Western nation at the same point in history has decided to import millions of Third Worlders. It is about, as Harry says, the destruction of the nation state and about paving the way for World Government.

Perhaps there are influential people within the vast state apparatus who really do – as Laban seems to believe - view mass immigration as a short-term economic solution to the “problem” of the welfare state and low native birth rates. If so, they are merely useful idiots, selected to serve a greater (global) agenda.

To put it briefly: the Western elites are at war against their own people. I won’t say much more right now, lest I scare off the recovering liberals whom I understand are this blog’s main target audience.

Anonymous said...

Garbanzo - you highlight an issue Ive been dwelling on recently.

The full horror of what the west is facing is writ large across many websites. Unfortunately most of them tend toward a robust anti-liberal slant. Which of course frightens away the delicate liberalus bedwettus, they fall back to the safety of liberal safe havens. And so keep their world view intact.

If they do wake up all is well and good, the internet is now their oyster but its hastening the transition thats the problem.

What is needed are more sites that appear more or less safe enough to a curious liberal reader but with just enough to lure them on to other forbidden fruit. I think Steve Sailer does a pretty good job on this front and of course Laban too.

I too was once that passing liberal, and after a time I had absorbed too much information toxic to my liberalism and my world view was shattered, so I woke up.

Im not a recovering liberal, I was once but I'm fully recovered now!

Anonymous said...

I see my link to Steve's site doesnt work - sorry about that.


God Fearing Reactionary Nihilist said...


"It’s no coincidence that every Western nation at the same point in history has decided to import millions of Third Worlders. It is about, as Harry says, the destruction of the nation state and about paving the way for World Government."

1, So, how does Japan with no or little immigration fit into all this?

2, How does ethnic nationalist Israel fit in to this plan for the destruction of the nation state?

Why is it only gentile whitey who is taking the hit?

How much mass non-European immigration does overwhelmingly ethnically white European Argentina get?

I love a good conspiracy theory but if friendlies don't ask the questions then the bad guys will, and you'll get shot down in flames, when actually you may be onto something.

So please explain.

Mark said...

'Mass immigration is mostly about the destruction of nationality and national identity.'
That certainly seems to be where we're heading, but the 'planning and forethought' Harry alludes to most certainly wasn't there at the outset. The 1948 British Nationality Act, which facilitated the initial wave of third world immigration, was almost an afterthought by the Attlee government.They were so pleased that India/Pakistan decided to remain in the Commonwealth after independence that it seemed to them a fair quid pro quo to bestow settlement rights on all Commonwealth citizens and colonial subjects in return. The right wing element in the government (Bevin et al) were also worried about Communist agitation in the colonies; emigration to the 'mother country' was seen as a palliative to this trend.
Of course, the inhabitants of these islands weren't consulted about this decision- being an afterthought, the 1948 Act didn't feature in the 1945 manifesto (if it did the 'Labour landslide' of that year may have been much reduced!).
Whether the post 1997 increase in immigration shows 'planning and forethought ' is a different matter, and nefarious motives by NuLab clearly can't be ruled out.

Anonymous said...

Revolution Harry is not joking. There's an idea floating about to make Jerusalem an "international city" of "peace", and the launch pad of the globalist pseudo religion.


Laban said...

Sailer is a very entertaining chap whose work I enjoy.

But you don't NEED a conspiracy. Occams razor and all that. all you need is a cultural void - which in Western Europe - and to an extent the US - means the collapse of Christianity - collapse to the point where a CoE vicar is arrested for helping illegal immigrants to commit fraud via 'fake marriages'.

Laban said...

PS - re Poles assimilating to 'the white norm', whatever that may be.

Just as we are not the people of 1945, neither necessarily are the Poles. See this post.

Garbanzo said...

Laban, in a sense I agree. But if I had to pinpoint the root of our malaise I would not say it was the decline of Christianity, more the rise of liberalism – although the two are related. It is liberalism that has given rise to a traitor elite, and so it is liberalism that must be combated.

So I am not suggesting that all will be well once we find and apprehend the “string-pullers” (because as long as we live under liberalism, more traitor elites will take their place). What I am doing is trying to get people to stop blaming chance and/or incompetence when certain patterns repeat themselves in country after country. (Isn’t Occam’s Razor on my side here?) E.g., how is it that the United States can afford to fight two long wars on the other side of the world, but seems powerless to prevent millions of illegals crossing her southern border? Why are there so many Middle-Eastern refugees in Scandinavia? Howcome almost every large public or private organisation in the Western world now has to pledge their allegiance to some concept called ‘diversity’? Why do so many countries now have laws against ‘hate’?

GFR-Nihilist, I do not claim to have any great understanding. And I do not claim that these elites I speak of are all-powerful, or that everything that has happened in recent decades has happened exactly according to some master plan. (E.g., did Jean Monnet, who sought a way of preventing perennial conflict between France and Germany, ever envision that his European Union might one day expand to include Turkey? Probably not. Did Anglo-Saxon imperialist Cecil Rhodes ever think his Rhodes scholarship would one day be awarded to an uber-liberal like Bill Clinton? Probably not.) I guess I would just repeat to you what I have said to Laban above.

On Israel, well, we keep being told that she is just like Britain and the US on account of us all being democracies. But unlike Britain and the US, Israel has a ruling class who want to preserve their nation – and good for them. Similarly with Japan – plus, Japan is not a Western nation.
Argentina I know almost nothing about.

To Anon@2.48am, I was also once a liberal.

Garbanzo said...

P.S. Japan and Israel are good answers to those people (and they do exist) who seem to think mass immigration is somehow unavoidable, like the wind and the rain.