Sunday, January 31, 2010

Cognitive Dissonance Alert (Part 637)

Dave Osler on Tibet :

"China has since then systematically exploited Tibet’s natural resources, and has resettled Han Chinese colonists there to the point where Tibetans are at risk of becoming a minority in their own homeland"


Dave Osler on the UK :

"further mass immigration obviously has the potential to rejuvenate the population of this island once the politicians can get their head round the idea"

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

Perhaps mass immigration post 1997 is part of a conspiracy by the Righteous intended to replace the national breeding stock infected by vCJG (remember that scare?) without causing riots.

Anonymous said...

He's a headbanging leftist, don't expect any consistency.

Anonymous said...

Well the UK has become a people parking place.
Not really a nation anymore

Anonymous said...

We are Hotel Amerika

Read any Kafka?

BNPman said...

Anyone thought to e-mail him pointing it out? I will if you like.

Anonymous said...

'a parking place, not a nation', LOL.

Sad, though, very sad.

Sgt Troy said...

There's no contradiction between these two statements in his sick self-loathing "mind" because he believes, as an article of his demented faith, that we never really existed, that we are a nation of immigrants blah blah

The evidence is very strongly to the contrary of course

"The genetic evidence shows that three quarters of our ancestors came to this corner of Europe as hunter-gatherers, between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, after the melting of the ice caps but before the land broke away from the mainland and divided into islands."

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/

The English nation has existed for over 1000 years - the 1016 Chronicler talks of "all the people of England", "all the English nation" for instance

But it is futile putting historical evidence before these people, they are propagandised dupes, rendered mentally ill

Sgt Troy said...

"further mass immigration obviously has the potential to rejuvenate the population of this island once the politicians can get their head round the idea"

I thought your April post on this was excellent Laban

The OPT reckons that 30 million is sustainable; 70 million - 2030 officially, probably much sooner in reality - a receipe for disaster

There are of course 8 million economically inactive people in the country; then there is the whole issue of whether much of the existing labour force is actually efficiently and correctly deployed

There hasn't been a labour shortage in this country since the Black Death

According to an IPPR report the 4 groups who draw most heavily on the benefit system are Somalis, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and Turks

One wonders at what point the quarter witted Osler expects them to leap up and "rejuvinate" us

We have never been so diversly, vibrantly enriched - and we have never been so skint. So what we want is more enrichment, clearly

Mark said...

Hat tip to Sgt Troy for linking to Prof Oppenheimer's article in Prospect 4 years ago about the continuity in the genetic heritage of the people of this island. There really are 'indigenuous people' living here; the 'nation of immigrants' line is pure propaganda, and Ostler is simply extruding it, knee jerk fashion.

The genetic evidence in Ireland is even more conclusive- there around 90% of males have the genetic marker indicating descent from ice age survivors.

Tendryakov said...

Sgt Troy:

Any link/reference for the IPPR report on unemployment among ethnic minorities?

Sgt Troy said...

Tendryakov

"The report, published today by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR), sets out to reveal which nationalities are "a debit on Britain's balance sheet".
It found that fewer than half of Britain's 650,000 Somalis, Bangladeshis, Turks and Pakistanis, have jobs and the four communities have the highest levels of benefit dependency."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/1564618/Immigation-drains-Britain-says-Left-think-tank.html

Apparently

http://www.ippr.org.uk/publicationsandreports/publication.asp?id=563

Of course it is about more than just economics

"A society that has only bonding social capital and no bridging social capital looks like Beirut or Belfast or Bosnia, that is tight communities but isolated from one another."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/5012478.stm

Although economic failure and the midmatch between population growth and resources, which one would have to be an imbecile not to recognise, will be the major underlying breakdown factor

Sgt Troy said...

Meanwhile evil white supremacist rails against Islam

"England is a cesspit. England is the breeding ground of fundamentalist ­Muslims. Its social logic is to allow all religions to preach openly. But this is illogic, because none of the other religions preach apocalyptic violence.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/feb/02/soyinka-england-cesspit-islamists

Dave O said...

What inconsistency, Laban?

Immigration in Britain is still at a low single-figure percentage. Immigrants come from hundreds of countries, as a result of the free market.

Immigration in Tibet has topped 50%. Almost all the arrivals are from one ethnic group, Han Chinese. And this is a deliberately state-sponsored organised attempt to change the composition of Tibet.

If Nick Griffin lived in Lhasa and headed the Tibetan Nationalist Party, even I would concede his paranoid ramblings had some grounding in reality.

Anonymous said...

But aren't you supposed to be opposed to the free market? In any case it has nothing to do with the free market, most immigration is due to family settlement from the third world. Although I realise using the facts to debate people like you is pointless, but reading Sgt Troy's IPPR links might help.

Sgt Troy said...

"Immigration in Tibet has topped 50%. Almost all the arrivals are from one ethnic group, Han Chinese. And this is a deliberately state-sponsored organised attempt to change the composition of Tibet."

What lunacy is this? It's unacceptable to be overwhelmed by one foreign ethnic group then, but it's "rejuvinating" to be overwhelmed by lots of them! We are going to become a minority in our own country in decades

And I suppose this diverse, enriched vibrance isn't "state sponsored" - that the people of this country willed it with joyous celebrations. Mass immigration has/had precisely zero legitimacy.

"Europe, including Britain, could be undermined by large immigrant groups with little allegiance to their host countries — a "reverse colonisation" as Parry described it. These groups would stay connected to their homelands by the internet and cheap flights. The idea of assimilation was becoming redundant, he said."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article673612.ece

We are being colonised

fellist said...

I remember laughing out loud when I noticed Conservative Councillor Ian Lewis, one of the listed friends of the anti-BNP Conservative front site 'Nothing British', also declared his 'Free Tibet' credentials at his blog.

Tip of the iceberg, of course, essentially all Tories support ethno-nationalism for non-European peoples while opposing it for us/themselves. It's not just headbanging leftists, Mr. Anonymous...

bob said...

Tibet is a colony of China, so settling Han people there is rather different from allowing Tibetans to settle in China. Chinese policy in Tibet is like Germany replacing Poles with ethnic Germans while it colonised Poland. If you can't see why this is different from allowing relatively small numbers of immigrants into the UK you have to be pretty obtuse.

Deogolwulf said...

It is clear that Mr Osler and the millions of ignoramuses like him do not know why they believe what they believe, despite the world-historical weirdness thereof; it just seems to them an unquestionable tenet of morality that the destruction of white cultures, homelands, and peoples is nothing to be regretted, but, on the contrary, is something to be promoted and celebrated as affording exciting opportunities for “vibrancy”, “progress”, “diversity”, “universal justice”, or whatever other marketed emptinesses are on offer today; whilst, on the other hand, it strikes them as no good, and indeed evil, that the same might befall non-white cultures, homelands, and peoples. Furthermore, I find it ironic, and somewhat disturbing, that they of all people should fancy themselves to be in disgust at the very idea of genocidal racism when they are the only people of whom I know who are animated by it. Yet, for some curious reason set deep in their rotten souls, when their racial carelessness or genocidal animus is directed against their own race, but forborne from others, it appears to them a generous and even a magnanimous gesture.

If one’s beliefs are strange, historical freaks, lately emerged from the dim and barely tractable swamps of demotic-political strife, demanding a radical break from the past, boasting little rational coherence, and requiring gross mendacity and mental contortion to keep them in presentable shape, then it is always a good idea to ask oneself whence on earth they might have come, and why indeed one adheres to them. It may be that, far from serving morality or the common good, they are just bestial figments animated for ulterior interests. But would it ever occur to our self-regarding unholy lunatics that their beliefs are political-economic-managerial ones inculcated for reasons, say, of political expedience and economic utility, long since divorced from morality, and indeed thoroughly steeped in evil? Probably not. It seems that they are too far gone.

Anonymous said...

"It's not just headbanging leftists, Mr. Anonymous..."

I never said it was.

Sgt Troy said...

"Tibet is a colony of China, so settling Han people there is rather different from allowing Tibetans to settle in China. Chinese policy in Tibet is like Germany replacing Poles with ethnic Germans while it colonised Poland. If you can't see why this is different from allowing relatively small numbers of immigrants into the UK you have to be pretty obtuse."

If you can't understand the accumulative effect of mass immigration since 1948 then you must be blind as well as stupid. 1948 being of course the year when the Atlee government, "gave 800 million "Commonwealth" citizens the perfectly legal right to reside in the UK" - Andrew Roberts, Eminent Churchillians

It's not of course "relatively small numbers" anyway

"Net immigration quadrupled to 237,000 a year between 1997 and 2007. In 2008 it was 163,000. 3million immigrants have arrived since 1997.

A migrant still arrives
every minute."

Migrationwatch

"White people living in the UK's second biggest city are likely to find themselves in a minority in 20 years' time, according to researchers."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1561758/White-people-a-minority-by-2027.html

"One demographer, who didn't want to be named for fear of being called racist, said: 'It's a matter of pure arithmetic that, if nothing else happens, non-Euro peans will become a majority and whites a minority in the UK. That would probably be the first time an indigenous population has voluntarily become a minority in its historic homeland."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/sep/03/race.world

The demographer who didn't want to be named was Terry Coleman - in 2000 he predicted that we would become a minority in our own country by 2100. As a result of more immigration and fast reproduction it's been fast forwarded probably to 2060/2070 - if nothing is done. The idea that this is "voluntary" is an absolute xxxxxxx joke

Sgt Troy said...

"Because of the Pakistani population's desire to create "ethnic colonies", he said, the best Bradford could hope for in the long term was accommodation rather than integration."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Divided-city-39battleground-for-clash.3810805.jp

Even this ridiculous lefty can recognise colonisation when it stares him in the face, though naturally he's all for appeasement and the expression of pious hopes

Mark said...

'Immigration in Britain is still at a low single-figure percentage.'

Er... yes, that's the current per annum figure for immigrant arrivals. The cumulative figure, in our childrens lifetime, will be approaching a quarter of the population, as Laban pointed out as recently as last month.(A higher figure is probable if immigration continues at the current rate).

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2009/12/us-demography.html

'Immigrants come from hundreds of countries, as a result of the free market'.

Really ? Japan has for decades had a larger share of world trade (and thus a deeper integration into the global free market) than Britain, yet attained this despite (or because of ?) miniscule levels of immigration. The ' economic necessity of immigration' argument is just as bogus as the 'nation of immigrants' trope.

Sgt Troy's characterisation of Dave Osler as a man of 'demented faith' looks spot-on.

Anonymous said...

Immigration in Britain is still at a low single-figure percentage.

And that means what exactly?

That currently the %age of the population deemed to be immigrants is less than 10%? And what about the children of immigrants, I rather suspect yopu arent counting them. The figures start to look a lot different then.

Immigrants come from hundreds of countries

Is this some sort of play for diversity being great? Are we supposed to manage future immigration so that these proportions are maintained? If, from tomorrow, all future immigration were to come from China only - a relative decrease in diversity - I take it you would soon be signing up to the BNP agenda. Yeah right.

as a result of the free market.

Do me a lemon mate. What I think you meant to say was that business gets some cheap labour subsidised by taxpayers, immigration is a form of corporate welfare.

Lets try a market experiment. All new immigrants are treated according to the rules of their country of origin. By which I mean if they come from a country where there is no council housing, they dont get access to that here. If they have to pay for health & education at home, they have to pay for it here - at the full market rate. And so on...

You get the idea, once we have taken benefits, council/housing associations, free education, free health, state funded translation services etc out of the picture. Then we'll start to see how much of a role the free market is playing.

Looking at your site Dave Im surprised to hear you using crude Thatherite arguments.

And this is a deliberately state-sponsored organised attempt to change the composition of Tibet.

Of course thats nothing like the way immigration is being used in the west at all, nothing like it. Absolutely.

Anonymous said...

I think I was being to liberal there.

All immigrants should have to pay the free market rate for housing, health and education. All things that are free or heavily tax payer subsidised. And not be entitled to any benefits.

Having excluded the distorting influence of the state from the labour market we will then see just how much immigrant labour turns up under the free market.

Im no libertarian btw I beleive many of us support elements of the welfare state/NHS because our grandparents & parents paid for it for us and we pay for it too, for ourselves, our families our fellow countymen etc We dont do that so millions of others can arrive and reap the benefits.

AgainsTTheWall said...

The cumulative figure, in our childrens lifetime, will be approaching a quarter of the population

Im not sure that England is nt already close to this figure. Official govt stats are untrustworthy as most here will probably recognise.

Anonymous said...

"Across the country, almost one in six UK university students – 16 per cent – were non-white in 2007/08."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/7139621/Ethnic-minorities-under-represented-at-Oxbridge.html

Stan said...

Cognitive dissonance?

I call it sheer bloody hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

I should add

"The report revealed that, across the UK, the number of black, Asian and ethnic minority university students had doubled from 8.3 per cent in 1995 to 16 per cent in 2007 – the latest available data.

These figures were broadly in line with growth in the proportion of 18-to 24-year-olds in the category nationally, it said"

Sgt Troy said...

"Annual immigration must be slashed by three-quarters if the UK population is not to reach 70 million by 2030, a senior MP warned today.

Tory former minister Nicholas Soames said failing to bring immigration under control "very substantially" could even lead to the total rising to 85 million."

http://www.24dash.com/news/Central_Government/2010-02-02-Nicholas-Soames-calls-for-UK-immigration-levels-to-be-slashed-by-three-quarters

It is not "merely" the danger and undesirability of becoming a minority in our own country, but also the sheer unsustainability on every level of this horrendous population surge

"Dave O" and "bob" haven't done very well on here - but then they need a censored format, like CIF, to stay in the game at all

JuliaM said...

"What lunacy is this? It's unacceptable to be overwhelmed by one foreign ethnic group then, but it's "rejuvinating" to be overwhelmed by lots of them!"

Well, yes.

You see, it's very important that Mr Osler be able to find a wide range of cuisines and cheap domestic labour any time he needs them...

Laban said...

Dave - that 'single figure' refers to the total percentage as recorded in the 2001 census - nine years ago. I think it was 9 or 10%.

Currently (2008) the government reports that 23% of English primary school children are 'ethnic minority' - by which I don't think they mean Gaels. And 23% of the babies born in 2008 have mothers born overseas.

You may not believe that children are our future, but I do.