Then put the cursor over the word 'immigrant' or 'immigration - you'll see it's double underlined.
Don't know about you, but where I am, up pops a picture of a middle-aged cleaning lady of indeterminate ethnicity, along with captions 'You have a Powerful Friend' and 'Want to know more about employee rights at work' ? Click the pic and you end up here - at the Directgov Pay and Rights Helpline.
"Not Getting The Minimum Wage of £5.60 an hour ?"
I can understand a desire among our rulers to recruit, say, dentists or real-time software engineers, although I would prefer to train up our own. But we have kept nearly a million on the dole through the 12 years of this government, while importing people to do the bottom-level jobs that pretty much any of us, no matter how uneducated, can do. Why ?
Jon Cruddas pointed out three years back that the govt "tacitly used immigration to help forge the preferred flexible North American labour market. Especially in London, legal and illegal immigration has been central in replenishing the stock of cheap labour across the public and private services, construction and civil engineering."
Immigrant labour "is the axis for the domestic agenda of the Government".
But it still seems crazy to me to leave people unemployed while importing others (thus raising demand for houses, services - not to mention the demographic challenge) to do the jobs the unemployed Brits should be doing. Why ?The only answers I can think of are
a) the existence of an unemployed underclass keeps a lot of Guardianistas in employment who might otherwise have to get a proper job
b) it would also be a lot of hassle to get some of the Brit underclass back into work - easier to ignore them and get in compliant (for the moment - just like the Windrush generation and the early Muslim immigrants were) incomers.
c) to drive down wages. Without a couple of million low-wage incomers market forces might make a minimum wage unneccessary. As it is, Labour can say 'look what we've done for you'.
d) to split the working class - at which point racial and cultural divisions are actually quite useful. Low-wage workers are hard enough to organise as it is - even harder when they have nowt in common but their employer.
Any (printable) ideas ?
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To conceal the fact the British educational system has so egregiously buggered up over the last 40 years that effectively vast tracts of the British public are incapable of completing even the simplest tasks without constant supervision.
"a) the existence of an unemployed underclass keeps a lot of Guardianistas in employment who might otherwise have to get a proper job"
Reduce all the ‘phony’ jobs – anything not vital goes; goodbye ‘diversity’, ‘communications’, ‘outreach’ and ‘monitoring’ roles.
" b) it would also be a lot of hassle to get some of the Brit underclass back into work - easier to ignore them and get in compliant (for the moment - just like the Windrush generation and the early Muslim immigrants were) incomers."
Cut benefits. Remove the incentive to claim disability instead by making the doctors do their jobs properly.
" c) to drive down wages. Without a couple of million low-wage incomers market forces might make a minimum wage unneccessary. As it is, Labour can say 'look what we've done for you'."
Allow free market capitalism to operate without hinderance, but first, seal up the porous border and bring in hefty punishments for those employing illegals (I’m looking at you, Baroness Scotland…)
" d) to split the working class - at which point racial and cultural divisions are actually quite useful. Low-wage workers are hard enough to organise as it is - even harder when they have nowt in common but their employer."
Integration, integration, integration.. ;)
The US got it right, and we got it terribly wrong. No more emphasising of 'differences'.
Now, as to who is going to do all that, well....
I think you seek an malevolence designer that isn't there.
You were a lefty, like me, and I know from experience that people of that persuasion either believe that the policies will work (eventually) or they keep their heresies to themselves.
When reality collides with theory they usually revert to either "do it again only twice as much" or "the program was undermined by vested interests". Most don't even think about it that much. If they think about it at all, they think that all decent respectable people think like them so what's to question.
We must continue to spend more on the underclass both directly and indirectly until we reach that magical day when dependence ceases and a newly self confident and empowered class take their place as Guardian readers. We're nearly there; one final push.
Aaagh!
"malevolent designer who"
Laban,
I have to say that the picture is not so clear as the stats suggest. The problem with the "24% foreign born mothers" statistic is that it includes people like my mother, my wife, lots of European couples and American/Canadian couples I know, people who form no cultural or ideological threat.
Don't forget too, that the vast majority of non-white immigrants are NOT Muslims, but Christians.
And don't forget, on a global scale, where people are becoming freer and more educated, Christianity is on the rapid ascent. Islam seems only to spread by coercion, and where there is deep brokenness in a post-Christian vacuum. It's a quick fix for simple, uneducated people - that's it's appeal.
I'm not saying you are wrong, or that there isn't a problem at all, just that it's more complicated, and perhaps, if we zoom out from this little island, and the very short term, there is cause for hope.
For example, I know an Iranian chap who is a convert to Christianity. He tells me that with the internet, Christianity is rapidly spreading in Iran, even where it is oppressed.
The 24% statistic need picked through more thoroughly. Lots of young couples now move around Europe and North America before finally returning home.
All I'm saying is - chin up. Faith, hope and charity will get us through this.
Oh I don't know, TDK, I quite like your original typo. A malevolence designer. Sounds like the sort of local authority or quango post that you might find advertised in Guardian Society (or is it SocietyGuardian these days?).
Malevolence Designer required. You will seek to complement the work of the Diversity Outreach Co-ordinator to promote a self-sustaining social cohesion dynamic, underpinning the long-term viability of the Authority's social intervention strategy.
I'd go with (a).
And the additional assumption that all immigrants will be Labour voters.
Not sure whether you regard that as printable or not.
In about 2005 a Labour think tank published a statement (recommendation) that racial harmony in England would only be achieved once the English were reduced to less than 50% of the population. If I remember correctly this was reported widely in the foreign press but not so much here. Perhaps this is the underlying reason, I think you could make a case for the Labour government being anti - English racists, just start with Jack Straws comments about teh English.
I think answer B is closer to the mark. C and D too conspiracy theorist and Labour's introduction of the min wage was opposed by business and the Tories don't forget. However, Labour has expanded the A category which was stealthily run down by Clarke and Major in the 90s (though boosted by Thatcher when unemployment ballooned in the 80s). Many Brits are better off on benefits and just won't work. I liked the Poles - most employers loved them too, they were educated, hard working and reliable. I know many employers who wanted to recruit local people, but most of the locals just couldn't be arsed.
It was done as a way of importing several million tied labour voters.
"In about 2005 a Labour think tank published a statement (recommendation) that racial harmony in England would only be achieved once the English were reduced to less than 50% of the population."
That sounds awfully convenient.
Your explanations Laban cover all the possible reasons Nulab prefers immigrant to non native labour at the lower end of the jobs market. A & B are the principal factors, C & D minor factors.
Electoral advantage is part of factor 'D', undoubtedly. However it is a bit of a double edged sword. Poles and other EU accession state citizens don't have the vote in general elections- and if they did I doubt if they would be overwhelmingly Labour voting, as the 'New Commomwealth' immigrants are (Sikhs & Gujerati Hindus being the outliers to this general rule) .
JuliaM said "Integration, integration, integration.. ;)
The US got it right, and we got it terribly wrong. No more emphasising of 'differences'. "
What does it mean to say "the US got it right". The US was built by whites, for whites, and the demographic situation of whites in America is even worse than that of indigenous Britons in Britain, though white Americans have the advantage of space.
As for your suggestion that people stop emphasizing differences, the differences between Europeans, Africans and Asians are written all over their faces, they are genetic, and they also manifest in behavioural patterns. The only way to truly "overcome" the differences among what is now Britain's population is by prolonged, widespread miscegenation. Now why should Britain's indigenous people want that? Why should we be driven out of existence to "solve" a problem we never asked for?
It is time for "right-wingers", or at least those who are indigenous Britons, to leave this race-blind conservatism behind, because it is worse than useless.
In about 2005 a Labour think tank .......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9JP_DHVKM&feature=fvw
Jobs the locals won't do, eh?
Press very quiet on this one, Laban
http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.com/News.aspx?id=10103
I wonder why?
I've been doing a bit of family research of late, I've got a lovely photo of my grandmother and her sisters having a picnic on the banks of the Ribble - truly an English idyll
Maybe one day we will recover the vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavVgsrnXR4
Dr Cromarty
"I wonder why?"
No doubt for the same reason the name Kriss Donald is virtually unknown
That West Midlands Police wanted to prosecute C4 over the Green Lane Dispatches programme
That the local rag in Burton is spinning the defacement of the town war memorial as the work of the "far right"
Like Weekend Yachtsman I'd say (a), so that we - and I use "we" advisably - need Diversity Co-ordinaters for (b), Polly Toynbee for (c) and Community Cohesion Outreach Workers for (d).
Because immigration drives "white flight" and creates the need for more house building, especially in the countryside.
Those beloved eco towns will never get built without the engine of immigration to drive the need for them.
It is time for "right-wingers", or at least those who are indigenous Britons, to leave this race-blind conservatism behind, because it is worse than useless.
Amen to that.
With the mass demographic change we face, integration/assimilation just smoothes our path to destruction. Why make it easy for tptb?
The Left will support anything which hurts us - hence their backing and protection of the homophobic, misogynistic Moslem invaders to take just one example. The Left's goal is not a better world but a whites-free world.
Its easy to see why Jews, Blacks and Subcons therefore jump on board but for an adult white person to actively support the Left is a sign of mental illness.
Hugh Oxford,
the ONS does break the foreign mothers numbers' down. What surprised me was the number of children born to two foreign born parents. I thought the majority would be to one 'British' parent and one foreign parent.
There are all sorts of complexities in these numbers. I am going ti contact the ONS and ask a few questions. They are usually very helpful.
Richard
"but for an adult white person to actively support the Left is a sign of mental illness."
The root cause is the brainwashing, and that has led to such levels of perversity that I think you are right and that it can be called mental illness
The "education" system has been thoroughly subverted - fish is said to rot from the head down of course, as in HE
When Griffin said that the British were an indigenous people whose roots go back to the Ice Age, and that the impact of immigration had been greatly exaggerated, this is unquestionably true; the genetics prove it. And yet the brainwashed sheeple giggled with hilarity whilst listenening in respectful admiration to Ms Greer whose views of the allegedly profound influence of "Black Madonnas" on pre-Reformation England are just mental(we have always been here in some sort of wierd rite).
Control the past, control the future - it's true actually
Sgt Troy: 'No doubt for the same reason the name Kriss Donald is virtually unknown'
Not in Scotland it isn't.
Have you heard of the murder of Rochelle Holness?
The case gets around a quarter of the Google hits as that of Kriss Donald.
Interested parties can easily find pictures online of Rochelle and her murderer, 48-year-old John McGrady.
Why hasn't more been heard of that case?
Anonymous From EU occupied territory said...
"In about 2005 a Labour think tank published a statement (recommendation) that racial harmony in England would only be achieved once the English were reduced to less than 50% of the population. If I remember correctly this was reported widely in the foreign press but not so much here."
Extraordinary! Can you dig up any links to the foreign press reports? (Preferably French or German, but I suppose Google Translate can help us to hack our way through texts in most European languages.)
Classic bit of spin here
"MORE cash will be diverted to white working class communities in the Midlands in a bid to counter the belief they have been ignored, Communities Secretary John Denham has revealed.
The money will be spent on improving facilities in what the Government called “traditional working class communities”.
Wards including Birchills in Walsall, Bilston East in Wolverhampton and Friar Park, Tibbington Estate and Princes End in Sandwell will receive a share of £12 million. The Government also announced a second round of funding for Shard End, which was awarded cash in October."
The fund is across the whole country, the impression given is totally disingenuous
"Around £2 million is being used to train community association leaders, council staff and councillors in how to improve living conditions in the areas involved."
So we can take the £2 million from the £12 million because it will be of no value to those who would allegedly benefit.
“The expansion of the programme means nearly 100 communities are getting targeted help in addressing issues."
£10 milion/100 = £100,000 per "community" ie. bugger all
He said: “Substantial investment has transformed communities across the country – but there are still communities who don’t seem to feel that benefit. They feel they work hard, pay taxes and follow the rules but others seem to have a better deal.
No shit Denham? In highly Islamified Sparkbrook for instance improvement grants of up to £40000/house were made available.
We are not a "community" Mr Commie; it's our country.
But the message to the "WWC", aka the indigenous people who built, fought and died for the country, is obvious. Where you place your vote helps determine what you will get from the regime
http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2009/12/16/white-working-class-areas-cash-announced-97319-25397388/
"Sgt Troy: 'No doubt for the same reason the name Kriss Donald is virtually unknown'
Not in Scotland it isn't."
I am well aware of that Weegie, but there was a virtual news black out south of the border; which really remains to this day. The excuse was that the London centric media rarely reported north of the Tweed, however the Independent did make it to the Shetland Islands to celebrate the non-deportation of a Thai arsonist
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/local-hero-shetland-islanders-celebrate-as-thai-man-caught-up-in-foreign-prisoners-row-beats-deportation-threat-and-wins-his-right-to-stay-407088.html
I guess fog must have cut off the Fylde Peninsula at the time because the media also failed to report the case of the poor little girl who apparently ended up in the kebabs and the trial of the accused
"Albattikhi, 29, denies murder while co-accused Mohammed Reza Reveshi, 50, denies the disposal of the body of Charlene's body."
http://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/blackpoolnews/Schoolgirl39s-body-39ended-up-in.2904171.jp
"Interested parties can easily find pictures online of Rochelle and her murderer, 48-year-old John McGrady.
Why hasn't more been heard of that case?"
Thing is though that Kriss Donald was the victim of the worst ever racially motivated murder in Britain, and he remains largely unknown outside Scotland
Contrast with the national media treatment of the Anthony Walker murder in Liverpool.
BBC guidelines are that racially motivated murders will receive special prominence; well some anyway
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No one seems to see the similarity with the various plantations in Ireland. These were self conscious attempts to change the demographic balance. However there is still a powerful nativist sentiment which demands 'justice' even when it is in a regional minority, the language largely superceded and hundreds of years have passed. Sinn Fein for all you sassenachs out there can be reasonably translated as 'We ourselves'. In other words don't trust mainstream politicans. More and more people here are starting to feel this way and it shows the sort of powerful forces that are being messed with. Personally, as a relatively low paid person, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why I shouldn't passionately hate a group of people who import people from abroad to force down my wages and compete with me for jobs.
On another note 'racism' is never properly analysed. It's not one thing. One unspoken semi-consious fear in the majority is a sort of politics based on envy and the desire for vengeance and humiliation - hubris. e.g. - Why is there (apparently) less racism directed against the chinese? After all they are different and have literally and grandiosly 'taken over whole areas'. And the empire interfered appallingly in China. Something about the chinese attitude which means the above fears are not prevalent?
Weegie,
a white man killing an ethnic minority women in the UK is not common. I have come across a few, one in Glasgow where a thug murdered an Asian women out jogging, and a couple of others, but it is not frequent, thank god.
The murder of white women by blacks or Asians is much more common.
I'm sure Laban's readers could think of a number.
Weegie - without immigration Rochelle would not have been here and therfore not murdered. Thats the only take away lesson in the demographics of that case.
Without immigration Kriss Donald would be alive.
John McGrady is a freakish outlier in criminal terms. Kriss Donald's killers were an unremarkable group. Quite different.
Weegie, you've completely missed the point. McGrady attacked many women, do you have evidence he selected his victims by race? That he is white and his one murder victim happened to be black is not the same thing at all.
By contrast, Kriss Donald was targeted purely for being white.
People on benefits won't work if they only get the minimum wage. Recent immigrants can't claim benefits, so they will work for the minimum wage rather than starve. Thee biggest employer of people on the minimum wage is the government.
I think they really hated Thatcher. And they really hate the people that voted Thatcher again and again. They decided to do something about it.
Why are you all letting the CBI off the hook?
The CBI are the most enthusiastic supporters of immigration bar none.
They want a low-wage slave economy, and we know both Labour and the Tories are in bed with the CBI.
Why shouldn't we give welfare to the poor? We give it to bankers.
The notion that we had to bail out the banks is bollocks; had they collapsed they would simply be replaced by better banks.
The financial sector scare-mongered and scammed to sponge welfare off the government, people who supported the bank bailouts are Anti-British.
"Why are you all letting the CBI off the hook?"
Not guilty anon
The Confederation of British Importers are loathsome of course
That fat git Digby Jones, who headed them up, said that "immigrants do the work for less".
The nation has been under sustained attacked from right and left. No wonder we stare ruin and dissolution in the face
Anonymous wrote: "Weegie - without immigration Rochelle would not have been here and therfore not murdered."
You almost make it sound like it was her fault, not the fault of John McGrady.
You go on to say: "John McGrady is a freakish outlier in criminal terms. Kriss Donald's killers were an unremarkable group. Quite different."
You are trying to make it sound as if torturing and murdering a boy is normal behaviour for Pakistanis.
Back to the issue of media coverage. The Kriss Donald murder trial *was* well covered in newspapers south of the border. I remember reading about it in the Sun and the Mail, and even the Observer gave it coverage.
However the BBC was spineless, as is to be expected.
All of you here will be familiar with the case of Mary Ann Leneghan, which rivals the Kriss Donald murder for its brutality and sadism.
The BBC had the strangest courtroom drawing of the defendants, in which their skin tone was shown as grey, not brown.
But the Mary Ann Leneghan was well covered in the press.
The Gavin Hopley murder is widely agreed to have been underreported, but the Christopher Alaneme murder in Sheerness was not that intensively covered either - certainly less than Kriss Donald.
I don't see much evidence of media bias apart from the BBC, which is always in a league of its own.
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