Sunday, February 28, 2010

Who's The Criminal Here ?

A landlord who lets people smoke in his pub ?

Or a smackhead who steals Poppy Appeal tins from shop counters, hiding them in his daughter's pram (his pregnant 'partner' nicks them, too) ?

The State gives its verdict.
























Sentencing Michael Bailey at Oxford Crown Court last week, Judge Julian Hall said he was not going to jail him because the amount of money stolen was 'very little'. He told him: 'One's first reaction is to be quite horrified but I have to stand back a little bit and put it into perspective, having in mind the total amount of money involved is very little and why you committed these offences. It does seem to me they were drugs-driven. I'm prepared to suspend the sentence of imprisonment you so richly deserve.'

























At the same court last week pregnant Sabrina Burton was also let off the hook after she admitted stealing a poppy tin from a Londis shop in London Road on November 6. She also admitted stealing a MS charity box from Frog Orange in Windmill Road on the same day and attempting to steal another poppy tin from a shop on November 9. Judge Hall told her: 'It's the sort of case where everyone has a sense of outrage that you should do this - "how could anyone do something as mean as this?" - but I have to keep some sense of proportion. The monies taken were obviously fairly given for good causes, but they cannot have been huge amounts. I will give you a chance to put your life back in order. Your baby deserves it, if nothing else. It will do your baby the power of good if you keep off the drugs.'


















A former pub landlord yesterday became the first person to be jailed in connection with the smoking ban.

Nick Hogan, 43, was sentenced to six months in prison for refusing to pay a fine imposed for flouting the legislation.


16 comments:

Gareth said...

Jesus.

Laban, why not let us know where the swan is, incase any of your readers are nearby and would like to drink there?

Anonymous said...

Gareth: "why not let us know where the swan is ..."


".. former pub landlord .."

It ain't gonna do Nick Hogan much good.

He has lost his license and his living too.

'Eddie Willers' said...

How glad I am to have departed Albion's shores some 10 years ago, thus freeing myself from the furrily covered iron heel of English Socialism.

Allow their avuncular/paternalistic 'concern' for your 'welfare' in to your life and see where it gets you!

Anonymous said...

Mmmmmmmmmmm. Doubleplusgood.

wildgoose said...

@Eddie Willers,

It is not "English" socialism, it is the iron jackboot of the Scottish Raj exulting in imposing its will over their "auld enemy".

(Having first ensured that Scotland has a separate Parliament along with a massively over-generous Barnett Formula settlement paid for by their colonial subjects, The English).

Anonymous said...

Eddie Willers of Guardian Talk fame?

You sir, are quite brilliant, and I am a fan.

Although I have not been to that site in a long time, your skill in argumentation, and in particular your regular trouncing of the loathsome Bartlebooth deeply impressed me.

For me, you are, together with one or two others, such as MrPikeBishop, one of the all time greats.

Although, its not for me to welcome you to Laban's blog, its great to see you here.

Hi.

moriarty said...

This sort of thing really doesn't seem to bother as many people in this country as much as it should.

I'm always reminded of 'the Gulag Archipelago', where criminals were always treated as leniantly as possible but people even suspected of being against state ideology would hardly get less than 10 years.

Anonymous said...

Moriarty, they are ALL criminals.

The one who went down, was imprisoned for not paying a fine.

I'd prefer to see the charity box thieves treated more harshly, but the smoking ban is the law of the land even if you don't like it.

AndrewWS said...

Worthy of note that the landlord (Mr Hogan) is a former UKIP candidate.

http://www.indhome.com/2010/02/nigel-and-nick-defenders-of-freedom/

I smell a politically-motivated prosection.

Moriarty said...

Moriarty, they are ALL criminals.

Wrong. Criminality is not the same as lawbreaking, and anyone who can't understand the difference will get the authoritarian government they deserve.

The basis of Law is, or should be, morality, not just the arbitrary whims of whoever is in power.

Anonymous said...

"The basis of Law is, or should be, morality"

"Should be" is one thing - an opinion.

Fact is that law is something read and approved three times by both Houses of Parliament and then endorsed by the Monarch*.

The smoking ban is law.

If you don't like it, the correct approach is to stand for Parliament or start a political party whose people do that, and get it repealed.

Until then, it's still the law.

Get used to it.

* Yes I know all about placemen, safe seats, the elective dictatorship, the EU, and so on. Deliberately ignoring all that for the purposes of this discussion.

Anonymous said...

Smokers die of cancer. So I get the last laugh.

moriarty said...

"Should be" is one thing - an opinion.

No, that definition isn't an 'opinion', it's the truth. 'Should be' was added because so many people these days can't tell the difference.

Fact is that law is something read and approved three times by both Houses of Parliament and then endorsed by the Monarch*.

The smoking ban is law.


Just because they've jumped through all the right hoops and ticked all the right boxes to make the law doesn't make it just. Right and wrong is not decided by a legalistic process, it exists independently.

If you don't like it, the correct approach is to stand for Parliament or start a political party whose people do that, and get it repealed.

Don't talk such b******s. That's just advocating that politics is left to the rich or the demagogues, in as much as anyone can change anything that way in Britains 2 1/2 party system. You've set the bar impossibly high, and that's even without the problem that to change some laws you'd need to get control of the EU parliament or commission too.
Until then, it's still the law.

Get used to it.


In other words, shut up and obey.

Anonymous said...

Dear moriarty,

you were trolled.

moriarty said...

Dear moriarty,

you were trolled.


Either that, or someone has realised that their argument is indefensible and is now pretending it wasn't meant seriously.

Anonymous said...

There is a difference between law and rules.

Stealing, killing, raping are pretty much against the law pretty much everythimg else is a rule.

As pointed out our leftie authortarian pals are quite hot on downgrading the importance of law breaking "who are we to judge", "demonising", "exclusion" etc

But very keen on enforcing rules.