Today it ranged from Laura Janner Klausener (any relation to Greville ?) on Thought For The Day :
For me, a helpful way to understand conflict is to think in terms of perpetrators, victims and bystanders. In the context of provocation by extremists, we know who'd be the perpetrators and who'd be the victims but most crucial are the bystanders. The bystanders will be the spectators at home, watching "Question Time", some may be cheering, or others tutting and shaking their heads. Some may want to switch off completely.
There's certainly only one anointed victim for tonight's entertainment. Didn't the Fall have a record called 'Live At The Witch-Trials' ?
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited ...
I digress. From that, to - at lunchtime - Victoria Derbyshire on R5 asking some hapless BBC executive words to the effect of 'will you be able to sleep in your bed at night knowing you've facilitated all the racist attacks which are going to happen" ?
The salivating ex-decents of Hebden Bridge are doomed to disappointment, I fear.
Tonight in the pub, by no means a bastion of bigotry, nevertheless much chat from sundry locals about Nick Griffin appearing tomorrow on Question Time. Much was seriously depressing. He "has a point" say people I have thought were decent. Many, it seems, will be watching with anticipatory glee.The ratings are likely to go through the roof- for entirely the wrong reasons.
My money is on the whole thing being called off after a series of bomb scares. Martin McGuiness wasn't at the Labour Conference for his health, you know.
UPDATE - Telegraph live-blogging includes this spot-on quote from Conservative Home's Tim Montgomerie.
7:23pm Conservativehome director Tim Montgomerie tells Sky that the only thing that will undermine the BNP is a mainstream party which opposes unbridled immigration.
More Telegraph - Richard Preston (any relation?) :
"Only hours to go now until the fascist takeover ..."
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I do hope the "anti-fascists" start suicide bombing. That would be well funny. (Of course I hope they don't take anybody with them.)
Suicide bombers are OK (except its a mortal sin) if they only blow themselves up. Alas, we can't rely on that.
I suspect there's a great deal of reverse psychology going on here. The amount of publicity this is getting can only mean they obviously want as many people as possible to watch. It remains to be seen why. Further divide and rule (diversity/multiculturism) or a schism in the nationalist movement? We'll see later.
I suspect they believe that Griffin will fall flat on his face. I suspect he won't. For one thing whatever anyone says about what they think of Griffin, he can point out the greater actual faults of his accusers far more readily. Some on the left might believe he might actually want to kill people with brown skin, but he can point to any MP that voted in favour of the Iraq War and claim they have ACTUALLY killed someone with brown skin.
I notice there is BBC double-speak association with Conservatism. The Conservatives are a rightr-wing party. The BNP are the party of the extreme right. Thus the Tories would turn into the BNP at a moments notice so be afraid. Funny that this "right-wing" BNP appeals so much to the very poorest. Isn't the definition of left-wing "supporters of the underpriviliged"?
Griffin, like George Galloway - both deeply unattractive people - have the almost unique trait of saying what they think. Thus when they come up against other politicians they are at an immediate advantage.
I'm afraid Griffin did quite well tonight, just like George did in front of that Congressional committee. In particular, the times when the three pols ended up arguing against each other over immigration policy, and when Greer and a strange woman in the audience started condescending towards Griffin.
It's a sad comment on the current bunch we have to "represent" us.
Funnily enough, after Griffin taked about Straw's father refusing to fight in the war, R4's Today programme had a short piece on conscientious objectors this morning. Total coincidence I'm sure.
it were a load of crap in the end
Looking forward to your post on this from the Telegraph:
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
How bitterly I regret ever having voted Labour; what a hypocritical, deceitful, bunch of liars they have been proved to be...
The conserviatives will be no different on these points. Do not forget that - thought it is 'their turn'. Was that /telgraph article in the paper or just online? It's really dynamite. Unless its something and nothing.
It was in the Express, then the Telegraph, and now picked up by Sky.
Search for Andrew Neather in Google News...
(Come on Laban countless readers of your blog await your take on this. If the story is true hopefully it will be the final wooden stake through the collective heart of New Labours government of the Undead)
Geezer, are you saying it took this admission for you to realise what was obvious from the start?
The New Labour project is basically a Neocon take over. (liberal aggressive globalists)
And now with the support of Obama (wtf) Tony Blair is going to become EU president and probably try to enact the same policies EU wide.
When has Britain ever been a genuine democracy?
Griffin has too much historical baggage.
The Labour Party however are pure evil
Mass third world immigration meets collapsed casino/east german economy = disaster.
What I meant by the story being dynamite is that if certain ideas ie immigration scepticism/opposition are expressed by the 'establishment' (incl. print media) it means the cracks are turning into holes. Gramsci had some useful ideas. The upper orders have to rebel - or at least some of them. They get listened to unlike the likes of me who historically go to our 'dishonourable graves' powerless.
The best rhetorical weapon the bnp have is the idea of the rights of indigenous peoples to a historical territory undisturbed. Imagine if they started to share the stage with 'coloured' examples of this, like native american peoples - there were historical alliances between the British in America with certian tribes against settlers. They after all were/are 'noble savages' whereas the bnp are just 'fucking savages'. The latest legal attack on them is basically the removal of a people's right to organinse in their own interests in their own way. The key is to understand that Britain is an empire still and it buggers about the peoples within it's domain to suit whatever interest it has at any given time - this is NOT the moral high ground. This is ironic given the name 'british national party' which sounds very state loyalist. They were diplomatising/attacking/appeasing with islamic groupings e.g. vis a vis other groups all over the world all the time and now they are doing it within the home borders and 'we' are the other group(s). Chew on some of that. Peace and Love. And rights.
I highly recommend this article, Laban:
Signs of the Times, Part I: Postmodern Moral Panics and the Manufacture of Virtue
I think you'll like it, too, Revolution Harry.
I don't know how I mangled that. This is the link, paste it yaselves:
www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Knutsson-SignsI.html
To Anon@11.33, the information in Geezer's link was no surprise to me, but might be something of a revelation to many people. I'm not quite sure what Laban's take on all this is. Laban often writes of Labour 'deciding to replace the babies native Britons were not having' in a manner than suggests he views it as a perfectly benign (if a little misguided) thing for them to have done. Politeness or naivety? I don't know.
Court historian Andrew Roberts was very reticent about Churchill's views on immigration this morning(BBC Today), Winston being such an icon and all. He was particularly reticent about what he had written himself
'Churchill, Raced and the 'Magpie Society' explores the way in which successive Conservative Governments between 1951 and 1960 privately deplored the way in which mass New Commonwealth immigration was changing the nature of British society, but did nothing to control immigration until that change was well underway.
Eminent Churchillians - Roberts, quote
"Indians he said were "the beastliest people in the world next to the Germans"
Not exactly an anti-racist then.
Churchill on Islam
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property (either as a child, a wife, or a concubine) must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science (the science against which it had vainly struggled) the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.”
"The key is to understand that Britain is an empire still and it buggers about the peoples within it's domain to suit whatever interest it has at any given time - this is NOT the moral high ground."
That is very true; and it is a singular measure of the perversion of the grate and the good that they should want to recreate the Empire here when they only just scuttled out before disaster fell(except in the case of Singapore of course). Foul, unnatural unpatriotic vermin that they are.
They must have really hated our people to have pulled this trick
Working Class Geezer: "How bitterly I regret ever having voted Labour; "
Not quite as bitterly as I do.
Working Class Geezer: " what a hypocritical, deceitful, bunch of liars they have been proved to be..."
That was obvious to me in 1997 and my feelings were confirmed by Blairs 'Trust me' speech.
Blair a revolting man. Brown is just indescribable. As to Jack Straw, he is just another fascist in sheeps garb.
I thought the BNP were the haters but are nt they just amateurs? Compare the masterclass of a hatefest our tolerant, respectful, compassionate overlords have treated us to this week....
"THE QUEEN has declared WAR on the BNP.
She's furious at the party for using Winston Churchill to promote its racist image and has ORDERED all the royals to join forces with her to unite Britain against hated BNP leader Nick Griffin. A senior royal aide told us: "The Queen thinks it is a disgrace that the name of such a courageous leader in our hour of need has been hijacked in this way. "
From the NOWT, Liz weighs in - I guess they'll have to pulp all the editions of Robert's "Eminent Churchillians" that they can find.
"The Queen thinks it is a disgrace that the name of such a courageous leader in our hour of need has been hijacked in this way"
Is that so.
Earlier this week Prince Andrew defended the banker's bonuses.
Hmmnn...
So Laban,it looks like your Occam's Razor theory just took one hell of a beating. In retrospect of course, a series of cock-ups that all lead in the same direction was never going to be favoured by Occam.
Now we have discovered the big treason, can we hope that gobshites like Andrew Neather will let the cat out of the bag in the fields of education, the law, the police, finance, social work and the media.
Looks like at last this story has started to grow legs, with BBC and Guardian articles ( Migration boom claims dismissed and Former Labour adviser denies immigration plot to undermine right).
I (like Laban?) thought the probable reason for Labour relaxing immigration in the UK was a reward for all the BMEs who so loyally voted for Blair, allowing in their close family members, extended familes, village, tribe, etc.
Here is the original Andrew Neather article from the Evening Standard, Don't listen to the whingers - London needs immigrants and today's 'clarification' from him, How I became the story and why the Right is wrong.
[Perhaps his next article should be entitled "Why I moved to Soweto (with my three young children) to experience the true joys of multiculturalism"]
So Laban, why no comment on the Andrew Neather story?
I've personally avoided saying anything about it because quite frankly, I'm primed to explode and I might regret what I say.
How about you?
Googling around just now(regarding this story) I discovered that the nice Mr Jack Straw is alleged to have something about the English not being worth saving as a race.
That's nice.
You know of course, that the Andrew Neather story seems to vindicate the Majorityrights world view don't you.
What was that expression they came up with, 'Race-Replacement' was it?
I think I'll go and take another look at what they have to say on the matter bearing in mind you've been so quiet about it.
BNP in new support for Gay Marriage shocker
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8328935.stm
"..So Laban,it looks like your Occam's Razor theory just took one hell of a beating.."
I know you dont like the J-word LT, but Im sure that you are aware of the tribal allegiances of Straw, Roche and Portes? Coincidence?
That Nick Griffin Question Time transcript
http://constantlyfurious.blogspot.com/2009/10/that-nick-griffin-question-time.html
Brilliant!
Ofcourse it was a conspiracy Laban,
a conspiracy of the innercirle of NewLabour to have a different policy in private than they had in public.
Not just to the wider public, but also old Labour figures like Frank Field didn't know what was going on.
By your logic, the Nazis didn't conspire to kill people all over Europe, they just happened to be like minded individuals.
No central planning at all, everyone look away now!
I don't think Laban is ever going to address the question of why the same thing is happening at the same time throughout the Western world, because - as his latest post (closed to comments, I wonder why) indicates - he does not seem to think there's anything unusual in itself about Europeans inviting millions of Africans and Asians into their lands. All that matters to 'conservatives' like Laban is that there is a 'self-confident culture' for the newcomers to assimilate into.
But why, Laban? Why do you need genetically distant peoples to come here and assimilate with us in the first place? Can you not understand that if that were to be 'successful', Britain's native people would be 'mixed' out of existence?
Anon@5.27pm, your post reminds me of a quote by Raoul Hilberg.
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