Wednesday, February 04, 2009

A Few Chunks Of Rock Salt In The Curate's Lane

A hint of fear as Labour minister Stephen Timms gets religion :

Mr Timms referred to the problems in the world economy, the conflict in the Middle East and more immediate problems such as last weekend’s stabbing of Stephen Lewis when leaving a church hall party in his own constituency in East London.

Mr Timms said: “It would be easy to lapse in the face of challenges of that magnitude into cynicism or even despair – to conclude that nothing can be done by politicians effectively to resolve these enormous challenges.

“But it is the calling of politicians to figure out how to tackle them, to identify solutions and to work to implement them.”

He said the religious groups of Britain were crucial to this process and singled out the Muslim community for particular praise. “Muslims in Britain have helped faith gain a new voice and a new confidence,” he said.
Thyere's no doubt about the new voice and new confidence. What I'm not sure about is from whence cometh this voice's strength. Is it the cohesion which put so many hundreds of thousands on the streets, to denounce wars in Iraq, Lebanon and Gaza, that has earned the respect of New Labour ? Or is it a series of riots, four suicide bombings and a large number of wannabes ? What think you ? What are our rulers more likely to take notice of ?

"How many divisions has the Pope ?" Stalin famously asked. Our rulers take a view on the likely number of Christian suicide bombers and act accordingly :

A Christian nurse from Weston-super-Mare has been suspended for offering to pray for a patient's recovery. Community nurse Caroline Petrie, 45, says she asked an elderly woman patient during a home visit if she wanted her to say a prayer for her.

The patient complained to the health trust about Mrs Petrie who follows the Baptist faith. She was suspended, without pay, on 17 December and will find out the outcome of her disciplinary meeting next week.

I digress. This report positively reeks of fear :

Twenty five per cent of the 430 population of Long Lartin top security jail in Worcestershire are now Muslim, according to an inspection report by Dame Anne Owers, the chief inspector of prisons.

Prisoners told Dame Anne during her inspection that offenders at the jail are converting to Islam because they want the protection of belonging to a big Muslim group. One inmate quoted in the report said:”Yes, there is a gang culture here which is becoming an issue. A lot of people are becoming Muslim just because it a bigger group."

Another inmate warned that all violence in the jail was gang related and that Long Lartin was in danger of turning into an American-style prison. He said: "If you are not in a gang, you’re in trouble. People are converting to Islam for protection.”


Not something you'd say about Christianity these days, is it ? There have been stories of gang culture in places like Belmarsh, Whitemoor and Frankland - wasn't someone killed in one of those jails ?

The number of Muslim prisoners in jails doubled in the eleven years to 2007 to reach 8,864 - 11 per cent of the total prison population. Muslim prisoners make up one third of the population of Whitemoor, 15 per cent of Full Sutton top security prison in Yorkshire and 20 per cent of Belmarsh jail.

In today’s report, Dame Anne said the jail’s security department was monitoriting the difficulties of gang activity, potential extremism and radicalisation of inmates in a balanced way. She said staff had been left to balance as best they could the need to engage with and ensure proper treatment for Muslim prisoners and the need to monitor and prevent radicalisation.

“There needs to be a national strategy to equip staff better to engage and support Muslim prisoners,” she said. There is no multi-faith room at the jail and this has resulted in Friday prayers being held in three separate locations.

A survey found that the proportion of prisoners who believed their faith was respected had fallen significantly and only 48 per cent of Muslim respondents said they were respected by staff, compared with a 67 per cent response from non Muslims.

Given the sensitivities surrounding Muslim prisoners, including the perceived risk of radicalisation, staff required training and advice on how to engage Muslim prisoners better,” the inspection report said.

Our rulers are afraid that unless they are nice to Muslim inmates, when they come out some will set off bombs. But be fair. They're afraid of the other prisoners, too.

A growing number of prisoners serving long sentences who have “nothing to lose” is a threat to the control and stability of the jail system, the prisons watchdog warns.

Dame Anne Owers, the chief inspector of prisons, also said that there was a growing use of force to control the most pressurised jails in England and Wales. She highlighted a rise in the number of prison disturbances and increasingly fractious jails as warning signs of the strain being faced in the overcrowded prison system.

One in seven of the 82,000 prisoners in England and Wales is now serving an indefinite sentence for public protection or a life term, the inspector’s annual report reveals.

Dame Anne said that the disturbances in jails have been contained so far but she identified “real risks” of a loss of control in the future. She said that too many of the most volatile prisons, including top security jails holding an increasingly challenging mix of very serious offenders and those establishments holding young men, had not been judged safe in inspections.

Well, think about it. 900-odd homicides p.a. in England and Wales - even with some three-years-for-torturing-someone-to-death sentences you'll be adding maybe five hundred killers each year for ten years or so each, although they're also being released at the other end. Murder is still a crime with a relatively high clear-up rate. One in seven is about 12,000 bad boys of which maybe half will be killers and the other half rapists, failed killers and perhaps combinations of the two. Of course in the days of the death penalty you'd have a lower murder count and fewer murderers in the cells.

Dame Anne said that the prison system was having to cope with more prisoners serving longer sentences, more gang activities on the wings and concerns about drugs. “There have always been groups engaged in criminal endeavours both inside and outside prisons. There is some evidence of more organisation,” she said. She added: “The presence of drugs is also a key factor because that can create an economy in prison and create bullying.”
It was once pretty hard to get drugs into jail - in the days when you spoke to your beloved through a wire grille. Now you can sit her on your lap, put your tongue in her mouth and hand where you like - in a crowded visiting room with maybe half a dozen guards on high chairs watching over a room with forty or fifty people in it. I get the impression there's more stuff coming in via the staff, too. After all, a stoned jail is a quiescent jail - they hope. The balance of power in prisons has been shifting from jailer to inmate for forty years.

The number of Muslim prisoners may be rising, but so is the number of Muslims :

The Muslim population in Britain has grown by more than 500,000 to 2.4 million in just four years, according to official research collated for The Times.

The population multiplied 10 times faster than the rest of society, the research by the Office for National Statistics reveals. In the same period the number of Christians in the country fell by more than 2 million.

Experts said that the increase was attributable to immigration, a higher birthrate and conversions to Islam during the period of 2004-2008, when the data was gathered. They said that it also suggested a growing willingness among believers to describe themselves as Muslims because the western reaction to war and terrorism had strengthened their sense of identity.

Muslim leaders have welcomed the growing population of their communities ...

There are more than 42.6 million Christians in Britain, according to the Office for National Statistics, whose figures were obtained through the quarterly Labour Force Survey of around 53,000 homes. But while the biggest Christian population is among over-70s bracket, for Muslims it is the under-4s ...

Ceri Peach, Professor of Social Geography at Manchester University, said that the rapid growth of the Muslim population posed challenges for society. “The groups with the strongest belief in the family and cohesion are those such as the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. They have got extremely strong family values but it goes together with the sort of honour society and other kinds of attributes which people object to,” he said. “So you are dealing with a pretty complex situation.”



Hmm. That's what I'd call the weak version of the theory. But he's right that Muslims have many admirable values which hold together and strengthen their society. The operative word being 'their'.

They're not destroying our society, though. We did that when we implemented the brave new vision of the Sixties, which has made modern Britain so different from the Britain of fifty years back. Islam is merely expanding into the moral vacuum left by the decline of Christianity, the cultural vacuum left by the decline of Britishness, and the demographic vacuum left by the Pill and feminism.

Here are the figures. Have a nice day.

The total number of Muslims in Great Britain:

2004: 1,870,000

2005: 2,017,000

2006: 2,142,000

2007: 2,327,000

2008: 2,422,000

Source: Labour Force Survey

15 comments:

shillingajar said...

Hold on there! The number of Muslims in British jails MUST have been inflated by a factor of about 3000%!

We all KNOW - for we have often been told so - that Islam is the religion of peace! As one remarked recently to me, "When we are in control, there WILL be peace: we won't permit Christian preaching as it might disturb the majority."

The high proportion of Muslims in our jails MUST mean that they have all been framed by our institutionally racist guardians!

In the very, very, few instances where a genuine offence MIGHT have been committed by a Muslim, might one suggest that his/her action was a totally justified response to a perceived threat - like seeing someone bring their dog onto the bus?

Anonymous said...

I disagree with the comments about a demographic 'vacuum' being created by the Pill and feminism.

It is not low birthrates which pull in people from other countries. Rather, it is a failure to establish and enforce a coherent immigration strategy which is to blame.

Reliable contraception and women's ability to have control over their fertility should be seen as praiseworthy achievements of Western societies.

Achievements which many other countries in the world would do well to learn from, if they wish to avoid the mass starvation and civil strife which will follow from allowing birthrates to outstrip resources.

It should also be made clear to them that we will no longer allow our country to be used as an expansion area for their burgeoning populations.

Mark said...

Our liberal elite deals with demographic matters only through a prism comprised in equal parts of euphemism and wishful thinking.
The euphemism in this post is provided by Anne Owers, (someone who apparently sees her job as bringing the rationales of penal institutions and 3* hotels into closer alignment).
She says- 'too many of the most volatile prisons, including top security jails holding an increasingly challenging mix of very serious offenders and those establishments holding young men, had not been judged safe in inspections'. Isn't the word 'challenging' a godsend to guardianistas like this NuLab Dame ?
The wishful thinking comes from Ceri Peach (BTW it looks as if he has enjoyed a few too many fairtrade coffees in the SCR at Manchester Uni with your old friend 'Ludi' Simpson.They both seem capable of extruding pc bilge at an alarming rate.)According to the Times article-'Professor Peach said that the high number of Muslims under the age of 4 — 301,000 as of September last year — would benefit Britain's future labour market through taxes that would subsequently contribute to sustaining the country's ageing population'.
Er... no, Prof Peach, not if the soicioeconomic indices of many of our 'muslim communities' (as enumerated in last years NAO report) persist.Instead of contributing to the country, 3 of our largest 'muslim communities' (in descending size order the Pakistani, the Bangladeshi & the Somali)are a fiscal drag on the wider economy because their rates of 'economic activity' are much lower than those of the general population.The female element in this demographic is overwhelmingly comprised of full time mothers ( and often mothers of very large familes as well).Meanwhile the males in these communities subsist very disproportionately on JSA and, increasingly, disability benefits, and pay no direct taxes.
Prof Peach may promise the rest of us a dividend in the near future;however the facts at present indicate that a surcharge on the rest of us is a far more likely scenario.

Anonymous said...

"'Professor Peach said that the high number of Muslims under the age of 4 — 301,000 as of September last year — would benefit Britain's future labour market through taxes that would subsequently contribute to sustaining the country's ageing population'.
Er... no, Prof Peach, not if the soicioeconomic indices of many of our 'muslim communities' (as enumerated in last years NAO report) persist.Instead of contributing to the country, 3 of our largest 'muslim communities' (in descending size order the Pakistani, the Bangladeshi & the Somali)are a fiscal drag on the wider economy because their rates of 'economic activity' are much lower than those of the general population."

This is racist, and therefore has objective, factual existence.

Anonymous said...

By which I mean it has no objective factual existence.

Anonymous said...

British demographic decline would not be an issue without the invasion.

shillingajar said...

"Reliable contraception and women's ability to have control over their fertility should be seen as praiseworthy achievements of Western societies"
Er, WHY, Anonymous?
Fertility is a blessing like a good digestion, or a keen mind. To treat it as though it were a pathological condition of sickness needing a remedy is wrong.
Granted, we now know that the ancient Roman Vomitorium was just an exit from a theatre and not the place to go to throw up after a too-heavy meal and to make room for more: but the principle of senseless indulgence followed by a violent "remedy" is the same one.
"Society" doesn't control fertility, anyway; it's a clique of doctors,drug manufacturers, scientists, politicians and publicists that does that for you. you being merely their raw material. YOU can no more "control your fertility" without the help of those folks than you can grow a foot taller merely by willing it.
I hope you don't make the hslfwit mistake of confounding abortion with contraception: it doesn't prevent conception but uses hideous violence to destroy the results.
A nation that thinks like you doesn't DESERVE to survive. A reason cited by some historians for the destruction of Carthage by Rome was that the Romans hated the Carthaginian cult of child-sacrifice. Even the cruel Milton was shocked by this, and lamented the fate of the children "who passed by fire to his grim idol", the 'him' here being Moloch.
Seems like someone is controlling your intelligence as well as your fertility.
Wake up, and don't parrot liberal cliches.

shillingajar said...

"British demographic decline would not be an issue without the invasion."
More from Anonymous. Why do you say this?
So national suicide is fine as long as no-one else comes to live in our island?
"Write me as one who HATES his fellow-men!" must be YOUR motto!

Thud said...

I am doing my bit to breed my way out of this demographic disaster!

Anonymous said...

shillingajar, demographic decline is relative.

There were only @ 40 million Brits in WW2. Would it be so bad to go back to that population density?

Less pressure on housing, roads, green space, less dependency on imported food.

Doesnt so bad like that. Of course our numbers are falling and being replaced by the invader. Thats the disaster.

I was trying to add a bit of perspective. I'm on your side mate!

Anonymous said...

"There were only @ 40 million Brits in WW2. Would it be so bad to go back to that population density?"

Of course not. If anything, more space, less pressure on public services and cheaper housing would likely push fertility rates back to replacement levels.

Stabilising our population at around something like the figure you've stated seems very sensible.

As regards Shillingajar's effervescent comments - no fertility is not a pathological condition, but you can have too much of a good thing.

As countries like Bangladesh and Nigeria are discovering.

shillingajar said...

Yes, a 40 million population wd. be fine.

But you can only arrive at that by a merciless programme of state intervention - giving Porritt free reign, putting noxious chemicals in the drinking water (antidote only available to SELECTED parents), even death squads.

Non-Christian Rightists in the UK seem not always to fight off a Madole-like inclination to wish to imitate Pol Pol or Mao.

I seem to remember Mrs Gandhi underwriting a programme of forcible male sterilisation in India...and there's always the notorious Morgenthau Plan, and the sinister methods outlined in Kaufmann's "Germany must perish"

- Look, mate, you CAN'T use the enemies weapons in this way! Turn his sword and guns back against himself, yes, of course. But you can't use them in your territories against your people.

Yes, Frodo was tempted to use the Ring - ostensibly to do good: but by using it he would have BECOME the enemy.

And of course fertility is a natural good. Use it responsibly and respectfully. Don't interfere with it chemically, or mechanically, or by means of politics.

And I agree: we are going to have to bid farwell to our immigrant population/colonisers.
I was a bit iffy on the methods earlier - and I still am, because, as a well-known American rightist remarked, he's had all sorts of messages of support from folks willing to die for the new Utopia, but few from those who were willing to help him build it!

Anonymous said...

"But you can only arrive at that by a merciless programme of state intervention - giving Porritt free reign, putting noxious chemicals in the drinking water (antidote only available to SELECTED parents), even death squads.

Non-Christian Rightists in the UK seem not always to fight off a Madole-like inclination to wish to imitate Pol Pol or Mao."

Despite earlier disagreements with you, Shillingajar, I do agree with you on this.

Yes, it would be nice to have a UK population of around 40 million, but no, it should not be sought after by State violence. My hope is for a gentle and gradual decline and later stabilisation as the outcome of many individual choices.

Same goes for talk of repatriating entire ethnic groups - as if the forcible removal of millions could be achieved without immense bloodshed and depravity. But no doubt some like to fantasise about such things.

shillingajar said...

Anonymous, glad to be in agreement with you now!
I certainly don't relish the idea of starting off the New Britain by spending time on a huge burial/disinfection/house clearance schedule!
Most of us don't want to take part in violent action: and the immigrants would have doughty defenders in the folks like the black-clad thugs Communuty Service Trust (or whatever that sinister body is called)who sometimes tirn up to crack a few skulls when rightists meet here.
Also, it'd have to be a Europe-wide concerted effort ...morality apart, it's a non-starter.
We must either make return home ATTRACTIVE to the others - and there do appeaer to be a few little-publicised programmes for this - or just pray for a John Wyndham type of catastrophe that would take a lot of the responsibility out of our hands.
(Incidentally, our literature has been hugely rich in future-disaster-leading to lo-tech, lo-population reconstruction scenarios since before HG Wells: this may indicate that the malaise about the way life's led here goes back a long way)

J said...

At least in the blogsphere the real issues are being talked about. No politician has the guts to make this case. Human Rights, Equality, Race and Religious laws all compound any possibility of an open debate.

Our country IS being undermined. Our culture has been battered by all manner of political correctness. Our society is breaking down so that even our highest religious celebrities (I'm a non-believer) can submit to the possibility of Sharia law.

The numbers matters because they show the trend. Our old 2.2 children family is being fast overtaken by the breeding of our islamic cousins!

THUD has the right idea, though we need more of his activity to have any chance. It isn't the answer of course because our country should already have the "No Vacancies" sign over its its gates. Instead the NuLab government has accelerated the ignorance of previous governments towards immigration and simply let more in.

The cultural war has begun, the war on our society is underway. In a century or so, this decade will be called "the greatest decade in Britistan's history". It will be the decade that the future islamic government of what was once the UK recognises as the starting point of the end of British society and the beginning of the takeover by Islam. Happy times.