tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post8937438071845640259..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: "Indigenous"Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-6372150405295772612007-05-23T08:50:00.000+00:002007-05-23T08:50:00.000+00:00Tdk, Surely it is an Englishman's right to be obtu...Tdk, Surely it is an Englishman's right to be obtuse on his own website, isn't it?Paul Walterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00525444717679391831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78438214366423420712007-05-22T22:11:00.000+00:002007-05-22T22:11:00.000+00:00Foxy - I wouldn't dub Migration Watch and Anthony ...Foxy - I wouldn't dub Migration Watch and Anthony Brown Cassandras exactly.<BR/><BR/>I would even take issue with you because they were not disbelieved. Their audience, however, was not allowed by the all powerful state Thought Stazi, to voice its agreement.<BR/><BR/>The British have been disturbed by these immigrants flooding in and getting their gums clamped on the state for years, but they have feared voicing their opinions - in the former bastion of freedom of speech - for fear of being picked up at midnight accused of thought crimes.<BR/><BR/>Only since the internet and blogging became so commonplace - over the last three or four years - has the tsunami of British concern swamped the ether and frightened the nomenklatura. <BR/><BR/>Now, among the nomenklatura, it's sauve qui peu! But there's no going back. The floodgates of honest opinion have been opened and it will be impossible to close them again against the tidal swell.<BR/><BR/>Too late. I think this next election is going to be interesting in that I believe both major parties will suffer staggering, possibly lethal, losses of votes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-47852297113134640032007-05-22T21:14:00.000+00:002007-05-22T21:14:00.000+00:00The Cassandras such as the journalist Anthony Brow...The Cassandras such as the journalist Anthony Browne and the think tank Migration Watch have been predicting this chaos for years. But like the unfortunate Trojan princess their predictions have not been believed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-3913719901218855942007-05-22T18:11:00.000+00:002007-05-22T18:11:00.000+00:00Mark - refugees'n'asylumseekers are supposed to ta...Mark - refugees'n'asylumseekers are supposed to take refuge in the first safe country. For Sri Lankans, that would be India.<BR/><BR/>I agree with Anonymous 4:28. The destruction of our country has been intentionally ramped up during the 10 years of the Blairs. I don't think it can recover. And Dave's twizzling around calculating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Face it, should he unexpectedly win the election (which he won't), he wouldn't change a thing.<BR/><BR/>Verity - ExpatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-2518740431558026692007-05-22T16:28:00.000+00:002007-05-22T16:28:00.000+00:00Sadly nothing will come of it till it's too late I...Sadly nothing will come of it till it's too late I fear. I worked with "refugees" for a number of years. Most of them came via Europe so they are not refugees merely economic migrants. Probably the most infuriating is seeing Roma from Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and now Romania and Bulgaria claiming "asylum" because someone spoke to them in a nasty voice etc. Yet people like Cherie Booth defend their right to come here and be given asylum and all that goes with it such as free medical and housing. Now these countries are all EU members why are they still here? <BR/>Sorry but I think Britain is wrecked beyond repair and I for one am looking at getting out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-74930252617210925392007-05-22T11:43:00.000+00:002007-05-22T11:43:00.000+00:00...but so far Frank is being obtuseBollocks. Shoul...<I>...but so far Frank is being obtuse</I><BR/><BR/>Bollocks. Should be<BR/><BR/>...but so far <B>Paul</B> is being obtuseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-47211219547754225922007-05-22T11:17:00.001+00:002007-05-22T11:17:00.001+00:00Interestings comments over at Paul Walters. Seems...Interestings comments over at <A HREF="http://paulwalter.blogspot.com/2007/05/deeply-disturbing-use-of-word.html" REL="nofollow">Paul Walters</A>. Seems Frank is trying to get Paul to follow his argument to the logical conclusion but so far Frank is being obtuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-37797710856166001182007-05-22T11:17:00.000+00:002007-05-22T11:17:00.000+00:00Re: Tower Hamlets in the 70s.I was at school in To...Re: Tower Hamlets in the 70s.<BR/><BR/>I was at school in Tower Hamlets from 64 to 72. My old secondary school had one or two black/Asian pupils. <BR/><BR/>Ed Husain's 'Islamist' book tells you all you need to know about the demographic changes that have taken place.<BR/><BR/>Tower Hamlet's schools are now about 93% 'minority'.<BR/><BR/>Bengalis were not refugees they were immigrants. <BR/><BR/>The spectacular increase in Asylum/refugee numbers is a very recent phenomenon and is basically down to New Labour. Google 'UK Asylum figures 1994-2003' for some revealing stats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-86611411010418688612007-05-22T10:32:00.000+00:002007-05-22T10:32:00.000+00:00The denizens of samizdata are as dangerously delud...The denizens of samizdata are as dangerously deluded as the leftie liberals they profess to despise.<BR/><BR/>They believe most of the same crap but get to justify greed and selfishness on top.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-37195947533841898772007-05-22T10:17:00.000+00:002007-05-22T10:17:00.000+00:00At my husband's school in Tower Hamlets in the lat...At my husband's school in Tower Hamlets in the late 1970s, many boys supported the National Front. They gave as their main reason the preferential access to housing given by the Borough Council to newly arrived Bangladeshi refugees. My husband remembers debating against the National Front supporters. He believed that the numbers of refugees would remain small, and his classmates would be best advised to live up to British culture by being tolerant and welcoming. <BR/><BR/>Now, of course, some parts of Tower Hamlets are 70% Bangladeshi. In some schools, the figure is nearer to 90%. I imagine some of my husband's contemporaries moved out to places such as Barking. Now they are seeing the same thing happen all over again. <BR/><BR/>And the moral of this tale is ... We can't afford to be quite as virtuous as we would like to be. <BR/><BR/>(BTW I'm not suggesting that my husband is now a BNP supporter. Far from it.)<BR/><BR/>The first I heard of Margaret Hodge's comments was at Samizdata, where one of the regulars was throwing around accusations of fascism. OK, I know your average Samizdatista is a libertarian rather than, say, a classical liberal, but I was still a bit surprised at the vehemence of his reaction. Is it really considered so heinous to favour the rights of citizens (or residents) over those of newcomers? What is a nation, if it is not built upon an understanding of mutual obligation between the state and its citizens?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-79033562954624339592007-05-22T09:53:00.000+00:002007-05-22T09:53:00.000+00:00"You may believe that this is your home, inherited..."You may believe that this is your home, inherited from your forefathers, but your neighbour may believe something very different. They may believe that this is just a rock which they happen to live on and anyone else that can make it here deserves a go - no matter how insane their ideas may be. "<BR/><BR/>Insane, suggesting irrationality and unconscious reflexes, is not the way to describe such a notion. On the contrary, it is a venerable idea, that there's no reason for someone to own something just because their fathers did. See Marx, Rousseau, the Levellers, etc, etc.<BR/><BR/>It's just Communism expanded to apply not just to individual properties but to a nation as a whole. Those whose needs can always be relied upon will find this a very rational proposal indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-56362023065835375102007-05-22T09:30:00.000+00:002007-05-22T09:30:00.000+00:00The point is that Margaret Hodge got castigated fo...The point is that Margaret Hodge got castigated for saying this kind of thing by our ordinary fellow Brits. What does that mean our fellow Brits think of.... our fellow Brits? Not much, it seems. And that is the crux of the problem. The idea that this is Britain and is the home of the British has dissolved almost completely. It has become an island where anyone can wash up and get a free home. It's not just the politicians that believe this - our own people have come to believe this. There is no popular uprising against immigration. NO ONE CARES!<BR/><BR/>You may believe that this is your home, inherited from your forefathers, but your neighbour may believe something very different. They may believe that this is just a rock which they happen to live on and anyone else that can make it here deserves a go - no matter how insane their ideas may be. <BR/><BR/>Those of us that believe that the fact that Britain is one of the top ten countries in which to live is because of British culture and that diluting it ever more with failed cultures is suicide are actually in a tiny minority. <BR/><BR/>The only chance is to escape.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-79443061594049438992007-05-22T08:11:00.000+00:002007-05-22T08:11:00.000+00:00Laban, can I add Lenin's Tomb to your Margaret Hod...Laban, can I add <A HREF="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2007/05/labours-racist-housing-argument.html" REL="nofollow">Lenin's Tomb</A> to your Margaret Hodge round-up. Nowt but Boiler plate of course, but you get what you pay for!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-71893880887944336292007-05-22T08:05:00.000+00:002007-05-22T08:05:00.000+00:00Re: Sri Lanka, given that the whole excuse for asy...Re: Sri Lanka, given that the whole excuse for asylum was to supposedly protect the *persecuted*, rather than those who merely had rubbishy lives, how exactly does some guy from the fairly rubbish, but in no way Naziesque Sri Lanka qualify ? <BR/><BR/>Meanhwile, I think Voyagers got it - but don't forget price controls for m'learned friends. If it's good enough for Farmer Palmer, it's good enough for Cherie.DJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00446322024174274621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-74078222629667639082007-05-22T07:55:00.000+00:002007-05-22T07:55:00.000+00:00Hebden Bridge is Yuppieland for Liberal Democrats ...Hebden Bridge is Yuppieland for Liberal Democrats who've sold their home in Primrose Hill to paint watercolours of £20 notes with their "partner"<BR/><BR/>Economics used to be described as the subject concerned with allocating scarce resources to infinite demands.<BR/><BR/>It seems that the Sentimentalists have a form of rationing that puts those for whom they feel contempt at the back of the queue so the New Favourites can gorge first.<BR/><BR/>It is easy to see in this the mindset of the camp guard or warder, who puts his favoured prisoners at the front of the line for hot food leaving the others to lick the tureen clean.<BR/><BR/>It is the generosity of a senile man squandering his children's inheritance on his new wife until the novelty wears off and he needs his children to fund him.<BR/><BR/>A proper Refugee Tax raised by a 10% levy on all incomes over £250.000 and on all wealth above £2 million would do wonders for reality check.....in the interim the poor find that resources are rationed and pensioners can always be found a vacant cell when Council Tax arrears arise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-56173474037718307372007-05-22T06:42:00.000+00:002007-05-22T06:42:00.000+00:00Verity - given the long running and very bloody co...Verity - given the long running and very bloody conflict in Sri Lanka, why shouldn't there be refugess from Sri Lanka?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-20541346163955992872007-05-22T04:46:00.000+00:002007-05-22T04:46:00.000+00:00Everyone seems to be either up in arms about this,...Everyone seems to be either up in arms about this, or cheering it on, depending on personal philosophy.<BR/><BR/>No-one seems to realise that all she's doing is <I>voicing a concern</I>, and that only because she fears losing her seat.<BR/><BR/>No-one is actually putting policy in place, or wil. This is just talk, to soothe the restless mob. Nothing will come of it. They think we are stupid, remember..?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-58171119536603259772007-05-22T02:27:00.000+00:002007-05-22T02:27:00.000+00:00Why are there "refugees" from Sri Lanka? How does...Why are there "refugees" from Sri Lanka? How does their government oppress them?<BR/><BR/>Is it any more dire than the way the British dikatariat disenfranchises the British?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com