tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post8015391589062216072..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: "Europe is still living off its religious heritage"Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-67035145464799560992007-07-23T07:55:00.000+00:002007-07-23T07:55:00.000+00:00No point in even dealing with fantasists like Putn...No point in even dealing with fantasists like Putnam....the simple fact is Northern Europe was strong when Protestantism was strong.<BR/><BR/>Protestantism is the correlation - the notion of Self-Reliance and Personal Accountability to God rather than absolution from a prelate.<BR/><BR/>The Protestantism of Methodism is what made the Labour Party principled; and the Protestantism of Anglicanism is what made the Conservative Party national; and the Protestantism of Non-Conformist Congregationalism, Unitarianism, Baptism and Presbyterianism is what made the Liberal Party.<BR/><BR/>Conservatives were Anglicans and the rest had to find their way into the other two parties - just as the German Zentrum party was Catholic, and the SPD was Jewish and Protestant.<BR/><BR/>France pursued anti-Clericalism in a way which splintered party politics; Poland needed Catholicism as a surrogate nationalism when the nation had been partitionedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-21285073841179163822007-07-22T22:42:00.000+00:002007-07-22T22:42:00.000+00:00Re Putnam's comment They say: 'Why should we? We d...Re Putnam's comment <I>They say: 'Why should we? We don't want a new we, we like the old we.' But in the US, we don't have that problem because we have changed in the past," he says.</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, sure. That explains the stupendous public rage over the Senate's recent, latest attempt to accelerate Our Better's beloved ongoing Mexicanization project. Latin America, Anglo America, what's the difference? Since the United States is just a vast nothing, endlessly churned by endless streams of never-assimilating immigrants, with no coherent political or cultural tradition, whatever are all those dreadful nativists and xenophobes fretting about?<BR/><BR/>My ancestors didn't come to America to change <I>it</I>, they came to assimilate to and participate in the Anglo culture that had been established and secured by its Anglo founders. Their descendants expect the same of any newcomers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-6456507528408963312007-07-22T12:08:00.000+00:002007-07-22T12:08:00.000+00:00I mentioned Putnam's study a few months ago on ano...I mentioned Putnam's study a few months ago on another site. A regular commentator there, a liberal/leftie of the first water, dismissed it airily as being an American study and therefore of no relevence to us here.<BR/><BR/>Theres none so blind...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-44850027739188851902007-07-21T08:52:00.000+00:002007-07-21T08:52:00.000+00:00"I am a white, middle-class left-wing atheist"Or, ..."I am a white, middle-class left-wing atheist"<BR/><BR/>Or, in fewer words:<BR/><BR/>"I am a moral vacuum"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-44289473319235255032007-07-20T22:31:00.000+00:002007-07-20T22:31:00.000+00:00Islam is growing very quickly through converts--in...Islam is growing very quickly through converts--in the prisons!!!<BR/><BR/>Convicted criminals are the largest converts to Islam. Not a very hopeful situation for the religion of peace.<BR/><BR/>No, the high birthrate is what makes Islam grow. Many babies called Osama and Mohammed. This is the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-14961405578684405092007-07-20T18:27:00.000+00:002007-07-20T18:27:00.000+00:00Mmmm.I read my link site: www.vexen.co.uk sufficie...Mmmm.<BR/><BR/>I read my link site: www.vexen.co.uk sufficiently to see the religion figures were in the approximate range I expected. I didn't look any further but I wish I had. The writer is a genuine Satanist with some "interesting" views.<BR/><BR/>For example: The second most important factor behind abolishing the slave trade (after economics) <A HREF="http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/slavery.html" REL="nofollow">was the influence of Voodoo</A>. Not sure how the Animists who participated in the African part of the trade, figure into this account but never mind, he at least recognises the classic Marxist explanation as being primary.JohnMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696206173235574775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-82242992557730930012007-07-20T17:59:00.000+00:002007-07-20T17:59:00.000+00:00Isn't that known as "civil war"?Not necessarily.Fr...<I>Isn't that known as "civil war"?</I><BR/><BR/>Not necessarily.<BR/><BR/>France vs. England is not civil war and neither is Iraq vs. Iran. However, if you have in mind the roadside bombs set by Sunni's to blow up innocent Shia's (or possibly the converse), then I'll grant that form of terrorism is civil war.JohnMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696206173235574775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-52360492925155464852007-07-20T17:44:00.000+00:002007-07-20T17:44:00.000+00:00Don't overestimate the coherence of the left's app...Don't overestimate the coherence of the left's approach - deadly as their effect is. I should know I used to be one. I remember an old communist saying capitalism was doomed because an industry he used to work in had lost its high manning levels. What were they all going to do? -I think he thought they'd starve or something (1980s). He was that ignorant of economics. I distinctly remember thinking at the hight of my 1980s indoctrination the idealised result of communism was rather like free enterprise capitalism - free association (with 'no state') - I thought - isn't that what we have now? And I was really indoctrinated. The left eats away at the underpinning of society because it doesn't seriously yet think it will undermine anything they really care about - their own skins and freedoms. However with the population changes we are seeing the resulting political changes might give them a bit of as shock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-79965966013336972082007-07-20T16:40:00.000+00:002007-07-20T16:40:00.000+00:00I don't suppose you noticed Sunnis v Shia.Isn't th...I don't suppose you noticed Sunnis v Shia.<BR/><BR/>Isn't that known as "civil war"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-65679769502984448262007-07-20T15:46:00.000+00:002007-07-20T15:46:00.000+00:00Once we've all converted [to Islam] there will be ...<I>Once we've all converted [to Islam] there will be no need for it [terrorism].</I><BR/><BR/>I don't suppose you noticed Sunnis versus Shia?JohnMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696206173235574775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-66618531695769488952007-07-20T15:43:00.000+00:002007-07-20T15:43:00.000+00:00Christianity in the UK seems to be undergoing a mi...<I>Christianity in the UK seems to be undergoing a mild revival. There seems to be many more younger people going to church. The missing generation were born just after WWII. As that generation pops their clogs I think we will see church attendance rise.</I><BR/><BR/>I think you're seeing a rise in evangelical movements, but their growth is matched by the continuing decline of Anglicanism (particularly Methodism).<BR/><BR/>Last time I read about it Islam was the fastest growing religion in terms of converts. eg. <A HREF="http://www.therevival.co.uk/wp-site/276" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>Decline of Christianity <A HREF="http://www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> and <A HREF="http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/coe_fundamentalism.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.JohnMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696206173235574775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-69512013259003477102007-07-20T13:00:00.000+00:002007-07-20T13:00:00.000+00:00The convert is certainly right about Islam having ...The convert is certainly right about Islam having the solution to British society's problem with terrorism.<BR/><BR/>Once we've all converted there will be no need for it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-12058894765648173892007-07-20T12:47:00.000+00:002007-07-20T12:47:00.000+00:00In fairness to Putnam he did at least have the int...In fairness to Putnam he did at least have the integrity to publish his devastating study into the impact of cultural diversity, even though he did have to tag on a cock and bull story that contradicts his own analysis.Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02263275229285861236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-57181411550003504552007-07-20T11:59:00.000+00:002007-07-20T11:59:00.000+00:00"...to quote that very witty, wonderful Tom Lehrer...<I>"...to quote that very witty, wonderful Tom Lehrer song 'National Brotherhood Week':<BR/><BR/>"Everybody hates the Jews.""</I><BR/><BR/>Mmmm, that's the one that ends:<BR/><BR/><I>Be nice to people who,<BR/>Are inferior to you.<BR/>It's only for a week, so have no fear.<BR/>Be grateful that it doesn't last all year! </I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-36337488250625043822007-07-20T10:21:00.000+00:002007-07-20T10:21:00.000+00:00There are at least two former Muslim's that have c...There are at least two former Muslim's that have converted to Catholocism at my local church - so the movement is certainly not one way. Muslim's converting to Christianity don't make too much noise about it of course....<BR/><BR/>Many more Muslims drop out of religion altogether and it may be this which encourages those left behind to become more extreme. <BR/><BR/>Christianity has been of great benefit ot the US. Most US citizens (80%+?) are Christians. This means that whatever their background they have a shared value system. That is a great enabler of successful immigration. However, the US is mostly a segregated society where people of different races do not mix much at all. It seems quite likely that at some point in its history the US will actually break up into separate countries, especially once the whites realise that demographics will otherwise take power away from their group.<BR/><BR/>Christianity in the UK seems to be undergoing a mild revival. There seems to be many more younger people going to church. The missing generation were born just after WWII. As that generation pops their clogs I think we will see church attendance rise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-3404758187467620832007-07-20T10:04:00.000+00:002007-07-20T10:04:00.000+00:00I am a white, middle-class left-wing atheist, who ...<I>I am a white, middle-class left-wing atheist, who embraced Islam</I><BR/><BR/>70 odd years ago he'd have been hot for Communism or Fascism. Some weird people seem to feel the need to get all communal with the powerful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-16281931780721148512007-07-20T09:55:00.000+00:002007-07-20T09:55:00.000+00:00In Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus is asked by a man what i...In Matthew 19:16-19 Jesus is asked by a man what is necessary to lead a good life, the answer is six of the commandments:<BR/><BR/>* Don't murder<BR/>* Don't commit adultery<BR/>* Don't steal<BR/>* Don't lie<BR/>* Respect your parents<BR/>* Love your neighbour as yourself<BR/><BR/>Note that conspicuously absent are the other four that deal with religious ritual.<BR/><BR/>Now I'd challenge any liberal thinking person to find fault with the above "commandments", in fact I'd say they probably form the basis of most liberal attitudes.<BR/><BR/>Why condemn a society built on those "laws" ?<BR/><BR/>I'm not vouching for a return to puritan Christianity or such like, I believe in religious tolerance and freedom of thought, but why knock a religion that espouses the very same tenets of a "good" society ?<BR/><BR/>I'm sure you can find plenty fault with other religions, like those which delegate chopping off limbs or sexual inequality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-59598007856362035322007-07-20T09:34:00.000+00:002007-07-20T09:34:00.000+00:00The indigenous Anglo-Celts are remarkably tolerant...The indigenous Anglo-Celts are remarkably tolerant to all the incomers. The real present problems (and I have witnessed this with my own eyes) are with how the different minorities interact with each other. <BR/><BR/>It's not very encouraging: West Africans dislike the Caribbeans who hate the Somalis who aren't too keen on either the Bangladeshis or Pakistanis who both, despite the Islamic ummah, resent the Turks who detest the Poles and to quote that very witty, wonderful Tom Lehrer song 'National Brotherhood Week':<BR/><BR/>"Everybody hates the Jews."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-22831585487298839082007-07-20T09:16:00.000+00:002007-07-20T09:16:00.000+00:00On the left you have two types of people that have...On the left you have two types of people that have formed a devils pact. <BR/><BR/>The Liberal Left believe in expressions of atheism and alternative religion as a sign of liberalism, similarly they see immigration as a sign of a civilised liberal society. They don't consider that democracy is a process by which the concensus view is forced on the minority. They put individuals above society. Consequently the atomisation of society is a natural by-product of a process where opinion becomes ever more divergent. Ironically, the liberal left don't see things this way, because they believe that left to their own devices people would become Guardian readers and only fail to become Guardian readers becauser they are brainwashed by the Daily Mail. Hence counter-brainwashing by the BBC is acceptable.<BR/><BR/>The radical left have a far simpler agenda. They agree with Liberal Left politics because they have realised that it will surely lead to atomisation of society. This will lead to collapse of the current order which in turn will permit the establishment of an authoritarian new order. <BR/><BR/>Worringly the current government has established conditions suitable for a radical left take-over of the nation. They have contributed massively to social division and disorder. At the same time they have instituted laws to enable enactment of a state of emergency and long-term imprisonment of citizens without trial if they are alleged to have attacked the state. They have sent most of the Queen's armed forces abroad. The nation's increasing debt montain becomes a potential catalyst for civil disorder the longer it persists and the greater a threat to the stability of the economy it becomes.<BR/><BR/>Now may be a good time to start thinking about bolt holes in second countries. Don't say you haven't been warned.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-47500364903641937702007-07-20T09:09:00.000+00:002007-07-20T09:09:00.000+00:00The fact remains: why should we, just 'cose we can...The fact remains: why should we, just 'cose we can? Us Anglos like our anglo identity, and indians, africans, etc, etc. like their old identities - and even if they don't that's their business which need not concern us.<BR/><BR/>So, why do we need this new identity, again? Oh, yes, because we're getting immigrants by the boatload who are just too different to simply accept our identity. So, we need to create a new one which suits them. Much like when my homeless cousin Norman decides to squat on my lawn and demands I change my house rules to accomodate his wants. It would be personist to tell him to leave, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com