tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post7139288236693078260..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: A fault lineLabanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-35081448073817738212008-04-20T12:27:00.000+00:002008-04-20T12:27:00.000+00:00A couple of years ago the Independent, a truly awf...A couple of years ago the Independent, a truly awful shrieking rag, was pleased to publish a multi-coloured map of paradise of diversity Britain - with suitable gooey commentary as is only to be expected from those liberal loons.<BR/><BR/>Actually the bits they had coloured in green(as in Pakistani Islamic) reminded me quite strongly of the maps in Morris' "Age of Arthur", based on archaelogical evidence, of the Germanic takeover and conquest of much of Britain. In fact glancing at the book as I type I see that one of the maps is headed "Partition". We haven't got to this as yet though obviously it is implicit in Carling Black Label's(worst piss ever concocted) notion of "accomodation".<BR/><BR/>Funnily enough some people at the time weren't overly persuaded by the same argument then deployed that these immigrants would do the work the natives wouldn't: <BR/><BR/>"Then all the councillors, together with that proud tyrant Gurthrigern [Vortigern], the British king, were so blinded, that, as a protection to their country, they sealed its doom by inviting in among them (like wolves into the sheep-fold), the fierce and impious Saxons, a race hateful both to God and men, to repel the invasions of the northern nations. Nothing was ever so pernicious to our country, nothing was ever so unlucky. What palpable darkness must have enveloped their minds--darkness desperate and cruel! Those very people whom, when absent, they dreaded more than death itself, were invited to reside, as one may say, under the selfsame roof."<BR/><BR/>http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/gildas.html<BR/><BR/>In any event the Romano-British Celtic language and culture disappeared from the lands that became England, the fate of many Britons was slavery. This I feel is the best historical parallel to hand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-74935381505151978952008-04-20T11:57:00.000+00:002008-04-20T11:57:00.000+00:00On the Huguenot point the poplation of England and...On the Huguenot point the poplation of England and Wales, as estimated by Gregory King in 1688, was of the order of 5 millions.<BR/><BR/>I've seen figures of 50000 quoted for that immigration, ie around 1% in total - although obviously it was concntrated on London and the SEAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-3919990105184589412008-04-20T11:50:00.000+00:002008-04-20T11:50:00.000+00:00"againstthewall said... Nightjack I must disagree...."againstthewall said... <BR/>Nightjack I must disagree. Longterm decadence loses."<BR/><BR/>Absolutely correct - Livy, deeply affected by the demise of the Roman Republic, wrote: "Of late years wealth has made us greedy, and self-indulgence has brought us, through every form of sensual excess, to be, if I may so put, in love with death both individual and collective."<BR/><BR/>I guess the purpose of his Histories was to try and recapture the iron Republican virtue of eraly Rome, he gave of his best to save what he loved. How many of us can say the same?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-45833218463683159992008-04-20T11:38:00.000+00:002008-04-20T11:38:00.000+00:00"Hmm. It looks as if St George is being co-opted t..."Hmm. It looks as if St George is being co-opted to serve an agenda he might have raised an eyebrow at, but I have no real problem with that. The more little Muslim kids brandishing the red cross shield of England, the better."<BR/><BR/>Seems to me laban that this goes to the heart of the illogicality of your position. Your splendid, and very useful, site seeks, as I understand it, to wean liberals away from their folly. I'd say on that point that we don't have the time to pussy-foot around anymore.<BR/><BR/>However in the above quote you seem to be hankering after integration. Even Carling Black Label has now recognised the futility of this dream - Muslim kids running around with a Crusader symbol is surely just that. So the options then are surely either "accomodation"(capitulation) or resistance with a view to repatriation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-5991025225209460572008-04-19T22:32:00.000+00:002008-04-19T22:32:00.000+00:00Nightjack I must disagree. Longterm decadence lose...Nightjack I must disagree. Longterm decadence loses.<BR/><BR/>Also not sure what you intend by your closing remark. From where I stand Jews are the most powerful minority group in the UK. Far more influential than the poor old Brits who outnumber them 150-1 (give or take)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-87637471070683355792008-04-19T16:22:00.000+00:002008-04-19T16:22:00.000+00:00Re the Huguenots. I read somewhere that there were...Re the Huguenots. I read somewhere that there were only 30,000 of them in total and they didnt all arrive at once. Racially and religiously they were a good fit.<BR/><BR/>Though to be fair, British population was much smaller then.<BR/><BR/>How many non-white, non-Christians do we import now, its got to be a heck of a lot more than 30,000 a year.<BR/><BR/>Juliam - I wasnt having a go, I know we are on the same side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-89384153198218655252008-04-19T07:08:00.000+00:002008-04-19T07:08:00.000+00:00"We are fun, sex, drugs, money, freedom, fashion, ..."We are fun, sex, drugs, money, freedom, fashion, booze, fags, clubs, pubs, porn, love, lust, promiscuity, shopping, irresponsibility, disrespect, dissent and not having to pray every day."<BR/><BR/>= radicalisation in prison, .<BR/><BR/>They are Pakistanis at heart, nightjack, they might slough off from the observances of their warrior faith, but they will return.<BR/><BR/>It is also essential, I think, to appreciate that the reckless money-lending regime which finances the hedonism is heading right down the tube. Only today we see yet more crates of whiskey supplied to the alchy, £50 billions of tax-payer backed gov't bonds swopped for questionable mortgage "assets". We stand on the cusp of a debacle, this is going to change everything. The simple fact of the matter is that we do not have the economic base to sustain the population we have now in the style of life to which it has become accustomed, we certainly can't afford the massive financial cost of Pakistani colonies.<BR/><BR/>"It will take decades and more but it will happen, it always does."<BR/><BR/>Just because the Huguenots integrated, for example, it does not follow that this lot will. The Huguenots were skilled, Protestant when such things mattered, indistinguishable over time.<BR/><BR/>I don't accept the Jewish analogy either: they were effectively European, had a long intellectual tradition, there are common religious elements, their numbers were small compared to the post 45 invasion.<BR/><BR/>Just because something has always happened in the past, relatively successfully, that does not mean that there is some univeral law in operation here.<BR/><BR/>In any event there might be twice in 10 years time. Numbers are critical, they establish their own momentum. The age structure of their population is alarmingly youthful.<BR/><BR/>Carling can see this is colonisation, which does suprise me, and he's right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-17166331033062957592008-04-19T05:23:00.000+00:002008-04-19T05:23:00.000+00:00Juliam - Its not a defeatist attitude. I fear you ...<I>Juliam - Its not a defeatist attitude. I fear you are yourself giving a liberal line here. That all we need is a bit more integration and everything will be OK.</I><BR/><BR/>Not at all. I'm not saying I have the answer, in fact, I've not seen <I>anyone</I> yet who does.<BR/><BR/>I'm simply saying that 'the best Bradford could hope for' is a defeatist attitude. And it <B>IS</B>...JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-68531370954908166342008-04-19T02:04:00.000+00:002008-04-19T02:04:00.000+00:00Nightjack - why is it going to happen now, this de...Nightjack - why is it going to happen now, this decline in muslim numbers?<BR/><BR/>Pretty much 60 years ago there were no muslims in Britain, now its 1.5 million. Thats the top of the curve then, now its downhill for them.<BR/><BR/>I wont be expecting to see a headline somewhere saying Britain now has 1.6 or 2 million muslims or whatever. And if I do am I then to believe you when you say they are going to flake off, <I>this</I>time. I fear their numbers will keep going up and up, immigration, births plus a few converts and the likes of you will keep saying the great flaking off is around the corner.<BR/><BR/>Where are all the high profile celebrity muslim apostates in the west:<BR/><BR/>Hirsin Ali - spending her whole life under armed guard.<BR/><BR/>Tariq Ali - spouting his marxist crap.<BR/><BR/>Salman Rushdie - enough said.<BR/><BR/>Thats some role models for those young muslims to follow.<BR/><BR/>Juliam - Its not a defeatist attitude. I fear you are yourself giving a liberal line here. That all we need is a bit more integration and everything will be OK. That would work if the numbers were tiny but they are not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78515294341437166132008-04-18T23:30:00.000+00:002008-04-18T23:30:00.000+00:00nightjack, Orthodox Jews are a totally different g...nightjack, Orthodox Jews are a totally different group of people to Pakistanis. You can't assume both will be affected in the same way by social challenges.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I think we are sitting on a powderkeg, it only needs one crazy white guy with a basic+ knowledge of chemistry to have his family killed in a terrorist event for a revenge attack to be sparked. And if that happens the Muslims are not gonna lie down and take it, it will escalate massively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-86552103238654036522008-04-18T21:20:00.000+00:002008-04-18T21:20:00.000+00:00againstthewallI am a cop, I don't expect him or he...againstthewall<BR/><BR/>I am a cop, I don't expect him or her to stand by me. However, I do expect an increasing number of them to stand against Daddy Dearest. <BR/><BR/>We are fun, sex, drugs, money, freedom, fashion, booze, fags, clubs, pubs, porn, love, lust, promiscuity, shopping, irresponsibility, disrespect, dissent and not having to pray every day. In the long term, Asian Dad hasn't got a hope in hell and he knows it.<BR/><BR/>I say again, in the long term. Short term, we have a world of pain and problems. Long term, decadence wins every single time.<BR/><BR/>Don't believe me? Ask an orthodox Jew.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-42718333242124893992008-04-18T21:08:00.000+00:002008-04-18T21:08:00.000+00:00Nightjack you just dont get it. When the chips are...Nightjack you just dont get it. When the chips are down do you seriously expect a subcon to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you against his own kind? And do you seriously expect the hardcore subcons to permit their youth to renege? They are not white liberals and they ARE racially aware? They despise us (rightly) and are on oa mission of conquest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-20685088776691268632008-04-18T20:48:00.000+00:002008-04-18T20:48:00.000+00:00Sgt. Troy, short term you are dead right. Its goin...Sgt. Troy, short term you are dead right. Its going to be very messy but long term, the young folk are going to flake off bit by bit. <BR/><BR/>It will take decades and more but it will happen, it always does. <BR/><BR/>What we are seeing now is the heat from frictionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-4429628151055658542008-04-18T20:07:00.000+00:002008-04-18T20:07:00.000+00:00"Basically we have to wait for the pressure of liv..."Basically we have to wait for the pressure of living as a minority community breaks down and fragments them."<BR/><BR/>I disagree, in Bradford 75% of the marriages are between first cousins, you cannot get more tightly knit than that.<BR/><BR/>Social control is exerted by the threat of "honour" violence, bounty hunters, rejection of and threats to apostates, the power of the mosque and madrassa. The extensive electoral fraud shows how collectively they can act and how little the fundamental principles of a free society mean to them; including freedom of speech and freedom of religion of course.<BR/><BR/>They are not really living in Britain, they are living in Pakistani enclaves - hence "seperate but parallel lives". There is really very little that the indigenous people of the country have in common with them. <BR/><BR/>This is an alien colonisation event - it must have been like getting blood out of a stone for Carling to have dragged that admission out of himself, seriously gut-wrenching stuff, the antithesis of all that libs have deluded themselves withAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-2799051058263581302008-04-18T19:18:00.000+00:002008-04-18T19:18:00.000+00:00Every Islamic Girls College that you see is a sign...Every Islamic Girls College that you see is a sign that at least a school full of local "persons of Pakistani heritage" want no part of integration. Self ghettoisation is a defence mechanism against the threat to the established patterns of power and influence in their community <BR/><BR/>The truth, I think, is that over a whole lot of time, the traditional Asian communities in the UK will fragment over issues of strict observance and interpretation. There may well come a time when the bearded salwar kameez wearer will look as strange and anachronistic as Amish or Orthodox Jews. <BR/><BR/>Basically we have to wait for the pressure of living as a minority community breaks down and fragments them. It will happen whether we or they like it or not. Our mass culture really is poison to traditional South Asian values. <BR/><BR/>It will take a while and it will be messy but change is going to come.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-76424036172359032522008-04-18T17:59:00.000+00:002008-04-18T17:59:00.000+00:00Thanks sgt troyThe text you cite from his rambling...Thanks sgt troy<BR/><BR/>The text you cite from his ramblings rings a bell now, think I've seen Laban refer to it on these august pages.<BR/><BR/>Slappable is as slappable does it seems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-15189634080430795492008-04-18T13:14:00.000+00:002008-04-18T13:14:00.000+00:00"Willem Buiter with a very slappable face....."Ind..."Willem Buiter with a very slappable face....."<BR/><BR/>Indeed very slappable.....this gem from Buiter repays careful reading, staybryte<BR/><BR/>"I reject that view. The wellbeing of the existing resident population is no more, and no less, relevant than the wellbeing of any potential immigrant to the UK, wherever in the world he or she may be. I recognise private property rights. My home is my castle and I can deny entry into it to anybody at any time. I don’t recognise national property rights. A country is not like a private home. A country is an open club."<BR/><BR/>http://blogs.ft.com/maverecon/2008/04/imagine-theres-no-country/#more-178<BR/><BR/>Reason I've characterised it as "Buiterism" is firstly because of his eminence, as it were - he was on the holy of holies, the BOE interest rate setting committee. And mainly because he's actually come out and said it - they want to take our country away. He advocates kicking patriots out of the country if he can, exile to the Outer Hebrides as a second best option.<BR/><BR/>This is quite a lot to have against him. He wouldn't look so cocky if he was doing the Newgate hornpipe!<BR/><BR/>I raged against this miserable specimen on the piracy thread below.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-34102422030471122862008-04-18T13:01:00.000+00:002008-04-18T13:01:00.000+00:00Thanks staybryte for asking the question I dared n...Thanks staybryte for asking the question I dared not ask. Advance apologies to those in the know for my ignorance.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06358349301959327747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-85269824281397581622008-04-18T12:43:00.000+00:002008-04-18T12:43:00.000+00:00Er, sgt troyI may regret this, but who and what is...Er, sgt troy<BR/><BR/>I may regret this, but who and what is Buiter and Buiterism? I did a google and came across some LSE economist called Willem Buiter with a very slappable face, but what should we have against him?<BR/><BR/>LABAN - if this is off topic or out of order I apologise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-10008578099460153962008-04-18T10:46:00.000+00:002008-04-18T10:46:00.000+00:00On this issue, the Left has been in power for deca...On this issue, the Left has been in power for decades, even when it has not been in office. And this is what it has given us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78683672538654216852008-04-18T10:35:00.000+00:002008-04-18T10:35:00.000+00:00"Alan Carling first came to the District in 1978 t..."Alan Carling first came to the District in 1978 to take up a post as a Lecturer in Sociology at the University of Bradford, and has lived and worked here ever since."<BR/><BR/>God help us! Sociology - unmitigated quackery in spades. His pic has an unmanly and inane aspect. He must be a prime driveller.<BR/><BR/>rob<BR/><BR/>"Oh, and for "accomodation" read "appeasement and eventual surrender"."<BR/><BR/>Quite - he should google up Ethelred the Unready, I doubt he knows a blind thing about English history.<BR/><BR/>"Unreade" was apparently a play upon his Ethelred's name; "noble counsel", which the wits turned into "no counsel". <BR/><BR/>So would Carling Black Label(complete piss) advocate the surrender of the whole of West Yorks in due course? Of course he would, damn him! And we are expected to stump up vast sums of Danegeld in transfer payments to to give up what is our own. "Once you have paid the Dane-geld. You never get rid of the Dane" - wrote Kipling who knew a thing or two.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-19370823795384073642008-04-18T10:16:00.000+00:002008-04-18T10:16:00.000+00:00Oh, and for "accomodation" read "appeasement and e...Oh, and for "accomodation" read "appeasement and eventual surrender".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-59645422432545758262008-04-18T10:15:00.000+00:002008-04-18T10:15:00.000+00:00I'm amazed he mentioned the Islamist parties. The ...I'm amazed he mentioned the Islamist parties. The usual leftie would scream about the BNP and portray the other side as helpless, charming victims.<BR/><BR/>Still, better late than never, though it is too late, of course. I wonder if he and the others feel at all guilty? I.e. guilty about something they are actually responsible for, rather than a general "mea culpa" regarding climate change, Africa, poverty, etc etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-13292990242150302032008-04-18T09:34:00.000+00:002008-04-18T09:34:00.000+00:00"Because of the Pakistani population's desire to c..."Because of the Pakistani population's desire to create "ethnic colonies", he said, the best Bradford could hope for in the long term was accommodation rather than integration."<BR/><BR/>A craven Buiterist who has not the courage nor wit to see the danger of primitive alien colonisation. Buiter's principles should be applied to him and he should be exiled, for treachery and cowardice.<BR/><BR/>"But he said the "unpalatable truth" was that up to 18,000 citizens of Bradford had voted for the BNP – they "have chosen over the last few years to step across the line that has defined the boundary of reputable politics ever since the defeat of the Nazis 60 years ago"."<BR/><BR/>BNP voters are not "Nazis", they are indigenous people desperately concerned at the way our country is sliding down the tube. It usually appears with these liberal tossers that the only history they have done was the Nazis at GCSE, A-level and university. If all you know of history is the nazis then you know Scottish Football Association about history essentially. That they actually KNOW something about the history of this country is past praying for with most of this rabble of course. The Buiterist fraud, lackey and running dog Brotton is proof positive of this.<BR/><BR/>This confederacy of dunces see WW2 as an unnuanced struggle against fascism which is an historical absurdity(they apparently class the indigenous population's desire to hang on to Yorkshire as "lebensraum").<BR/><BR/>Bob Doe(234 squadron RAF) was a very successful and skillful Spitfire pilot, who I believe shot down 15 enemy aircraft during the epic struggle of that 1940 summer. When asked what motivated him he did not come out with a jaw-cracking leftist mouthful about the "anti-fascist struggle". What he actually said was that he flew for his country and so his Mum, in her back garden, would be safe. So this liberal retard can stick that up his pipe and smoke it. Wish I had him in my sights with 8 Brownings!! That'd learn him!<BR/><BR/>So anyway how has Bob Doe's skill and courage been rewarded by a grateful nation? Why the liberals have opened up the countryfor Pakistani colonisation! Thanks a million.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-37036976476736840662008-04-18T09:27:00.000+00:002008-04-18T09:27:00.000+00:00"...the best Bradford could hope for in the long t...<I>"...the best Bradford could hope for in the long term was accommodation rather than integration."</I><BR/><BR/>With that kind of defeatist attitude, it's no wonder we have trouble in store..JuliaMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07844126589712842477noreply@blogger.com