tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post4425838364461835353..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: "People who support the BNP are without exception racist scum"Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-80085938256001680082007-04-27T12:31:00.000+00:002007-04-27T12:31:00.000+00:00Laban, an excellent post.Laban, an excellent post.Snafuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16069053283344578792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-73247545465917446762007-04-27T09:51:00.000+00:002007-04-27T09:51:00.000+00:00As a swivel-eyed obsessive I couldn't help noticin...As a swivel-eyed obsessive I couldn't help noticing <A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/27/nedu127.xml" REL="nofollow">this</A> in today's Telegraph:<BR/><BR/><I>Figures show that almost a fifth of Chinese pupils in English state schools are registered as "gifted" against a tenth of white children. It further underlines the dominance of pupils from China and comes days after scientists warned that economic stability was at risk because British students lagged so far behind those from overseas.</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-67014665720150088082007-04-27T06:58:00.000+00:002007-04-27T06:58:00.000+00:00Laban wrote "I just think things like that are pre...Laban wrote "I just think things like that are pretty unimportant. Anyone who looks at athletics records can see that there are physical differences between races, so there may be mental differences too. But these only tend to make a difference at the margins, which isn't where we live in our everyday interaction with people"<BR/><BR/>This is a basic error of statistics. If we have two sets of people, say British average IQ 100 and Japanese average IQ 106. Then there will be many more Japanese with IQ over 130 than British and many more British with IQ less than 80 than Japanese. An IQ of 130 is where one would expect to find successful lawyers, doctors, engineers and managers. I would hazard a guess that top scientists would be much higher where virtually all in this example would be Japanese. At the other end of the scale, nearly all the road sweepers or labourers would be British, not Japanese. <BR/><BR/>So we do not need to get anywhere near the level of national or Olympic champions or tops scientists for large disparities to surface. The problem is that statistics (and economics according to Pinker, “Blank Slate”) are counter-intuitive and need to be studied to see how they work.<BR/><BR/>The whole situation is greatly exacerbated when comparing black Americans or West Indians, average IQ 85 with British or Japanese.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-15478765351841707712007-04-26T20:14:00.000+00:002007-04-26T20:14:00.000+00:00Anon. above says:-"Ramsay MacDonald made a pig's e...Anon. above says:-<BR/><BR/>"Ramsay MacDonald made a pig's ear of things in 1929....; then he was able to help Germany build a Navy in 1935". <BR/><BR/>And to think, if he'd just stayed the course (adjusted his diet?), he could have seen his way to the point where -<BR/><BR/>"About one in seven children at primary school in England and one in 10 at secondary school speak a language other than English" (source BBC, from the "annual school census" - can't trace the origin).<BR/><BR/>Bliss, innit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1740142310677685282007-04-26T17:32:00.000+00:002007-04-26T17:32:00.000+00:00A liberal type is happy for the Aboriginal Peoples...A liberal type is happy for the Aboriginal Peoples of these islands to have their own Super-County-Council in Edinburgh and Cardiff, because he knows that it is the Teutonic heritage in the English that brought technology and civilisation to the woad-wearing hill tribes who are now semi house-trained and undetaking one of the three major periods of catastrophic rule in London.<BR/><BR/>James VI of Scotland moving to London had an atempt to blow him up; his son was beheaded; his grandson skirted with the same fate; and his other grandson was kicked out of England.<BR/><BR/>Ramsay MacDonald made a pig's ear of things in 1929 and resigned his Cabinet to invite the Conservatives to sit around the table; then he was able to help Germany build a Navy in 1935 so its new Chancellor did not feel too miffed at the Versailles Treaty<BR/><BR/>And after these successes England got Blair-Brown and the happy band of CND Scotsmen to see if they could continue the tradition of creating a complete shambles of running a serious countryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-44613693563387703492007-04-26T17:29:00.000+00:002007-04-26T17:29:00.000+00:00"you imply that people who believe there are racia..."you imply that people who believe there are racial differences in IQ (and other variables?) are nutters"<BR/><BR/>"swivel-eyed obsessives" I think was more or less the description.<BR/><BR/>I just think things like that are pretty unimportant. Anyone who looks at athletics records can see that there are physical differences between races, so there may be mental differences too. But these only tend to make a difference at the margins, which isn't where we live in our everyday interaction with people, although the differences may be apparent at Olympic medal and Nobel Prize level.<BR/><BR/>Culture IMHO trumps genes.Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-63259054668112471622007-04-26T15:10:00.000+00:002007-04-26T15:10:00.000+00:00I will also being voting for the BNP . I did not l...I will also being voting for the BNP . <BR/>I did not leave the mainstream parties , they left me !!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-42225746010004676062007-04-26T14:18:00.000+00:002007-04-26T14:18:00.000+00:00I shall be voting BNP along with the "racist scum"...<I>I shall be voting BNP along with the "racist scum" in my book club.</I><BR/><BR/>Victor Gollancz and his 'Left Bookclub' have a lot to answer for !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-65311269717387344182007-04-26T12:53:00.000+00:002007-04-26T12:53:00.000+00:00"Racist scum" is a rather hysterical outburst for ..."Racist scum" is a rather hysterical outburst for the way many in Britain feel.<BR/>I shall be voting BNP along with the "racist scum" in my book club.<BR/>We dont want any more immigration from hostile foreign lands who wish to bring their backward tribal cultures with them.<BR/>End of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-32658216504837209292007-04-26T12:51:00.000+00:002007-04-26T12:51:00.000+00:00Yeah Fulham, guys like that are the true racists. ...Yeah Fulham, guys like that are the true racists. I very much doubt he'd be trying to deny the existence of Native American tribes or Africa tribes distinct identity but when he comes to the English oh there's no such thing.<BR/><BR/>I used to wonder about people like that also, now not so much, I don't know this guy but its amazing if you lookup a list of MP's or political agitators how many of them are not 'native' English.<BR/>Now that shouldn't stop them having an opinion ofcourse, but it puts a slightly different perspective on the situation instead of it being healthy introspection it becomes something rather different.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-88715742709042564892007-04-26T09:52:00.000+00:002007-04-26T09:52:00.000+00:00I never worried about Jewish power (why do we have...<I>I never worried about Jewish power (why do we have nation changing immigration?) or Black IQ (a utiltarian argument against immigration) but one finds oneself using these arguments to people because nothing, absolutely nothing seems to sink in.</I><BR/><BR/>Take 1000 people who think mass immigration might be a problem. Most of those people have nothing against those immigrants but are worried about the impact of attempting to absorb so many people in such a short time. One of those people is worried about the Jewish power and the IQ of blacks. <BR/><BR/>That one person is the idiot that the media focus on, that the media quote from, that Alex Hilton writes articles about, and they do that because they know that if the 999 ordinary people see such people and their motivations, they will attempt to distance themselves from that idiot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-19456702469027198462007-04-26T09:40:00.000+00:002007-04-26T09:40:00.000+00:00The most devious thing about people like Alex Hilt...The most devious thing about people like Alex Hilton is that when they come to responding to arguments like Laban's they resort to the most convoluted and subtle hair-splitting, claiming that it's very difficult to draw all the boundaries required, etc.<BR/><BR/>Yet when it comes to categorizing their enemies they resort to the most crude and unsubtle pigeon-holing possible, according to which someone as thoughtful and mild-mannered as Laban becomes evil racist scum like all the rest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-31650614466854327862007-04-26T09:36:00.000+00:002007-04-26T09:36:00.000+00:00Laban,Good posts, but you imply that people who be...Laban,<BR/><BR/>Good posts, but you imply that people who believe there are racial differences in IQ (and other variables?) are nutters. I'd be interested to know your reasons why. Such research as has been done on this touchy subject, usually by white researchers, has tended to <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations" REL="nofollow">put east Asians slightly above whites, with blacks some way back</A>. Hardly the actions of swivel-eyed white supremacists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-15983809639856057802007-04-26T08:24:00.000+00:002007-04-26T08:24:00.000+00:00Racial conflict - its all the fault of the Daily M...<I>Racial conflict - its all the fault of the Daily Mail etc etc. Race hate - thats whites attacking blacks.</I><BR/><BR/>The most primitive of the defense mechanisms are considered to be primitive because they fundamentally rely on blatant misrepresentation or outright ignoring of reality in order to function. These mechanisms flourish in situations (and minds) where emotion trumps reason and impulsivity rules the day. Children use them naturally and normally, but then again, children are by definition emotionally immature and not held to a higher standard as are adults. When adults use these methods on a regular basis, it is an indication that their emotional development is at some level delayed.<BR/><BR/>Denial; an outright refusal or inability to accept some aspect of reality that is troubling. For example: "this thing has not happened" when it actually has.<BR/><BR/>Splitting; a person cannot stand the thought that someone might have both good and bad aspects, so they polarize their view of that person as someone who is "all good" or "all bad". Any evidence to the contrary is ignored. For example: "My boss is evil", after being let go from work, when in reality, the boss had no choice in the matter and was acting under orders herself. Splitting functions by way of Dissociation, which is an ability people have in varying amounts to be able to wall off certain experiences and not think about them.<BR/><BR/>Projection; a person's thought or emotion about another person, place or thing is too troubling to admit, and so, that thought or emotion is attributed to originate from that other person, place or thing. For example: "He hates me", when it is actually the speaker who hates. A variation on the theme of Projection is known as "Externalization". In Externalization, you blame others for your problems rather than owning up to any role you may play in causing them.<BR/><BR/>Passive-aggression; A thought or feeling is not acceptable enough to a person to be allowed direct expression. Instead, that person behaves in an indirect manner that expresses the thought or emotion. For example: Failing to wash your hands before cooking when you normally would, and happen to be cooking for someone you don't like.<BR/><BR/>Fantasy; engaging in daydreams about how things should be, rather than doing anything about how things are. <BR/><BR/><B>Displacement;</B><BR/> An unacceptable feeling or thought about a person, place or thing is redirected towards a safer target. For example, it may feel unsafe to admit anger towards a parent, but it is perfectly safe to criticize the neighborhood he or she lives in.<BR/><BR/>Isolation/Intellectualization; Overwhelming feelings or thoughts about an event are handled by isolating their meaning from the feelings accompanying the meaning, and focusing on the meaning in isolation. For example, you cope with the recent death of a parent by reading about the grieving process.<BR/><BR/>Repression; A milder form of denial; You mange uncomfortable feelings and thoughts by avoiding thinking about them. You are able to admit that you feel a certain way (unlike in denial), but you can't think of what might have led up to that feeling, and don't really want to think about it anyway.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Reaction Formation; You react to uncomfortable, unacceptable feelings or ideas that you have (but aren't quite conscious of really), by forming the opposite opinion. For example; you unconsciously hate your parent, but your experience is to the contrary; you are only aware of loving feelings for your parent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-82726969219777050782007-04-26T08:17:00.000+00:002007-04-26T08:17:00.000+00:00Hilton was born in Ilford in 1976 and is a journal...Hilton was born in Ilford in 1976 and is a journalist and internet entrepreneur.<BR/>He stood for Parliament as the Labour Candidate for Canterbury in the 2005 General Election and until this year's May Council elections, was Labour Councillor for the Newbury ward in the London Borough of Redbridge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-10893441397020832572007-04-26T05:12:00.000+00:002007-04-26T05:12:00.000+00:00Alex Hilton has responded to Laban's posts at CiF ...Alex Hilton has responded to Laban's posts at CiF by saying:<BR/><BR/>"Labantall - you're the scariest person to have commented so far. Would you mind telling me what a native Briton is to you? Picts, Celts, Norse, Angles, Britons, Scots, Danes, Normans, Saxons, Gaels, Huguenots? But you know this. You know that you could pick a different date in history and find a different group of outsiders to hate."<BR/><BR/>One really does have to wonder about people like that. They simply refuse to see what is right in front of them, and in their minds anything that anyone says that doesn't chime exactly with their fantasy (because that's all it is, or ever will be) of a happy multicultural Britain existing in a state of blissful harmony, is automatically transformed into the spittle-flecked rantings of a paranoid Nazi.<BR/><BR/>He also, sadly, appears to embody the attitudes of the three main parties. They all seem to think that if they just pretend there isn't a problem, then everyone else will come to agree with them. Given this, and given that the BNP would actually do something about the problems this country faces, they'll probably have my vote in the future.<BR/><BR/>And the possibility of really upsetting the likes of Alex Hilton makes the prospect of voting BNP all the more attractive.Fulham Reactionaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15966316580829187182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-12708693198700046042007-04-26T04:36:00.000+00:002007-04-26T04:36:00.000+00:00"..Most people don't spend their time studying ONS...<I>"..Most people don't spend their time studying ONS stats. They just notice the changes in their area.."</I><BR/><BR/>Precisely! This is why all the handwringing, leafletting and PR in the world will not prevent more votes for the BNP (or total disengagement with voting in some people, which may have the same effect). <BR/><BR/>People aren't blind,no matter what New Labour councillors have been told to think by head office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-66767383663017570372007-04-26T00:53:00.000+00:002007-04-26T00:53:00.000+00:00I looked at that Bradford article.Given that the n...I looked at that Bradford article.<BR/><BR/>Given that the non-white pop is @ 20%, assuming the electorate reflect that, then the BNP may have received 16% of the white vote. About 1 in 6.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1475436056423509652007-04-25T23:11:00.000+00:002007-04-25T23:11:00.000+00:00The problem one is faced with, amongst my mates - ...The problem one is faced with, amongst my mates - all good (childless!)liberal lefties to a man/woman is that we live in a white prosperous area. They seem to think that becoming a minority is irrelevant. Pointing out the problems in other British cities is merely bad manners or something. They wont realise its too late.<BR/><BR/>I never worried about Jewish power (why do we have nation changing immigration?) or Black IQ (a utiltarian argument against immigration) but one finds oneself using these arguments to people because nothing, absolutely <B>nothing</B> seems to sink in. Racial conflict - its all the fault of the Daily Mail etc etc. Race hate - thats whites attacking blacks. Violent crime - a white racist conspiracy to hurt blacks, who are just the same as us really. And on and on it goes...<BR/><BR/>For instance if the argument about becoming a minority isnt dismissed out of hand, Im told it wont happen. Why not? I ask my pals, given that we wont control immigration and we certainly look at anything horrid like differential birth rates. To that Ive <B>never</B> received a satisfactory answer, in fact Ive yet to receive any answer at all!<BR/><BR/>Im afraid then its going to be a vote for the BNP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-20333805924826176402007-04-25T22:19:00.000+00:002007-04-25T22:19:00.000+00:00"The English don't do fascism. They just don't wan...<I>"The English don't do fascism. They just don't want to be a minority in their own country."</I> <BR/><BR/>That pretty much sums up the views of myself, my girlfriend, parents and sister none of whom you could call "racist".<BR/><BR/>However I refuse to vote for a National Socialist party even if they are right on one issue. So I wait (In vain?) for the creation/emergence of a party worthy of my vote...hopefully I won't have to wait till it's too late.Northern Monkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02323086141359524523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-10917860346988139172007-04-25T22:18:00.000+00:002007-04-25T22:18:00.000+00:00Bradford 2006<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Bradford#2006_Local_government_election" REL="nofollow">Bradford 2006</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com