tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post1674214451360876577..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Historical SnippetsLabanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-34700192621589621682010-12-01T22:11:04.347+00:002010-12-01T22:11:04.347+00:00I am objecting to 'scum', actually. I woul...I am objecting to 'scum', actually. I wouldn't describe my worst enemy that way.Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-45831648803967566212010-11-30T22:35:57.610+00:002010-11-30T22:35:57.610+00:00"by virtue of natural gifts and talents, as w..."by virtue of natural gifts and talents, as well as a work ethic and a culture that values education, Jewish people will proportionally be 'over-represented' in many elite areas of human endeavour, including politics."<br /><br />You make my point Laban.<br />You could have said the same thing about the British, Germans, French, many others etc, but thats not allowed.<br />Different rules apply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-25176460254545641952010-11-30T08:08:37.299+00:002010-11-30T08:08:37.299+00:00I used the term Jewish-Bolshevik to illustrate ONE...I used the term Jewish-Bolshevik to illustrate ONE of the drivers for 'anti-semitism' in Europe between the wars. This is a contemporary term. Whether you or I believe it has substance is neither here nor there. Many at that time felt it had.<br /><br />Im guessing your are not really objecting to 'scum'. I assume most here think that is quite a mild adjective for the criminal claque who ran Russia and thought a bullet to the head the best way to win a political argument. And in any case worse has been written here in the past.AgainsTTheWallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-28851469833020731512010-11-29T19:46:38.858+00:002010-11-29T19:46:38.858+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-70941688646352957102010-11-29T19:45:39.733+00:002010-11-29T19:45:39.733+00:00Aiieee ! This is why comments are off so often.
A...Aiieee ! This is why comments are off so often.<br /><br />Againstthewall - "The actions of the 'right' and indeed the rise of the Nazis were but reactions to the antics of the Jewish-Bolshevik scum and the Treaty of Versailles."<br /><br />Let's just agree to disagree, shall we ? But if you could drop the offensive language I'd appreciate it.<br /><br />A few points<br /><br />a) as pointed out, Germany was well beaten in WWI - a fact which the Armistice, arriving in time to save Germany from inevitable invasion, concealed from the mass of the German people.<br /><br />b) by virtue of natural gifts and talents, as well as a work ethic and a culture that values education, Jewish people will proportionally be 'over-represented' in many elite areas of human endeavour, including politics. I give you Benjamin Disraeli. The one area where this will logically not apply is in political parties which are primarily or exclusively (non-Jewish) ethnically-based.<br />German Jews, as I noted <a href="http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2008/01/remember-reflect-react.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, were highly integrated into German society. To explain Nazi anti-semitism, against German Jews, as a reaction to the existence of Trotsky or Kamenev is a travesty of logic and history. <br /><br />c) the Treaty of Versailles was indeed a factor in Hitler's rise, but was foolish rather than wicked (although the principle that the offender should pay is a reasonable one). In Churchill's words :<br /><br /><i>"The economic clauses of the Treaty were malignant and silly to an extent that made them obviously futile. Germany was condemned to pay reparations on a fabulous scale. These dictates gave expression to the anger of the victors, and to the belief of their peoples that any defeated nation or community can ever pay tribute on a scale which would meet the cost of modern war.<br /><br />The multitudes remained plunged in ignorance of the simplest economic facts, and their leaders, seeking their votes, did not dare to undeceive them. The newspapers, after their fashion, reflected and emphasised the prevailing opinions. Few voices were raised to explain that payment of reparations can only be made by services or by the physical transportation of goods in wagons across land frontiers or in ships across salt water; or that when these goods arrive in the demanding countries, they dislocate the local industry except in very primitive or rigorously controlled societies. In practice, as even the Russians have now learned, the only way of pillaging a defeated nation is to cart away any movables which are wanted, and to drive off a portion of its manhood as permanent or temporary slaves. But the profit gained from such processes bears no relation to the cost of the war. No one in great authority had the wit, ascendancy, or detachment from public folly to declare these fundamental, brutal facts to the electorates; nor would anyone have been believed if he had. The triumphant Allies continued to assert that they would squeeze Germany "till the pips squeaked." All this had a potent bearing on the prosperity of the world and the mood of the German race."</i>Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-2646113210806091272010-11-29T11:30:28.204+00:002010-11-29T11:30:28.204+00:00Anonymous (8:19 PM) said...
What is so wrong with ...Anonymous (8:19 PM) said...<br /><i>What is so wrong with seeing a pattern of behaviour? of particular groups or subgroups of people?</i><br /><br />The difficulty is in figuring out the cause & effect in the patterns. I think the best predictor of who gets involved in radical politics is to figure out which parts of the aspirational middle class feel despised by the establishment. Different groups in different times and places.Moriartynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-43371596982429717212010-11-29T01:37:37.760+00:002010-11-29T01:37:37.760+00:00"Luckily Africans never had the power to roun..."Luckily Africans never had the power to round us up!"<br /><br /><br />erm, what?<br /><br />Barbary corsairs<br />Thomas Pellow<br />Mulay Ismail<br />Lundy IslandAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-37392871976094372412010-11-28T20:13:40.805+00:002010-11-28T20:13:40.805+00:00We're asked to believe that the mass murder of...We're asked to believe that the mass murder of Jews for merely being Jews (including women and children) was the result of a conflict existing only in the minds of certain German tyrants and a large section of the populace. This conflict is said to have been purely imaginary. I have never seen their core accusations against 'the jews' debunked i.e. that e.g. -<br />they did not prusue their own ethnic interest through the medium of finanacial/business influence and also through revolutionary or even liberal movements which swept away the old society of eastern Europe. Surely it is important to debunk it! I'd make no denial that the English e.g. pursued English interests by their involvement in the slave trade. Luckily Africans never had the power to round us up! No doubt the full panoply of 'racist stereotypes' would be used against us. Rachel please tell me if this is all so far off the wall that I'm entering the same imaginary world as the nazis. It should be amenable to rational debate. Or is the position of jews, being a smallish people, widely dispersed, so much more precarious than the English that rational debate cannot take place about people pursuing ethnic interests?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-54000194085496798092010-11-28T01:08:55.060+00:002010-11-28T01:08:55.060+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Peter Josephhttp://www.thelacrosseguy-ide.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-85256790303844111852010-11-27T20:19:12.499+00:002010-11-27T20:19:12.499+00:00Rachel.
Just because most Catholic priests don'...Rachel.<br />Just because most Catholic priests don't support paedophilia and are infact probably very much against it, doesn't mean that the scandal of Catholic paedophiles didn't exist...<br /><br />What is so wrong with seeing a pattern of behaviour? of particular groups or subgroups of people?<br />Why do we have to check or insist that everyone is involved or none.<br /><br />People blame the British or the English for the slave trade all the time in 'popular culture', yet only a tiny proportion of the population had anything to do with it.<br /><br />It seems like some groups of people we are allowed to generalise over, while others we must close our eyes and cover our ears.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-80352786374209707122010-11-26T19:27:31.034+00:002010-11-26T19:27:31.034+00:00I'm not even going to bother with againstthewa...I'm not even going to bother with againstthewall's comments. There is so much obvious nonsense there I do not know where to start ...and anyway he says that he does not give a stuff about being antisemitic... So that's that then. <br /><br />But to annoymous: I already answered that all the communist people who happened to be Jewish were either completely atheist or very disconnected to their relgion to put it loosely. Many Jews suffered and died from Communist rule as much as many other faiths if not more. (As I said, My own family were among many Jews who fled Communism and were very anti Communist.) Therefore it is logically wrong to associate Judaism with Communism. <br />That is all.Rachel Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-54054297891461602062010-11-26T11:16:38.015+00:002010-11-26T11:16:38.015+00:00H
I shall look up the Evans book, thanks, and wil...H<br /><br />I shall look up the Evans book, thanks, and will get round to Kershaw when I get the chance.staybrytenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-36308569528885510922010-11-26T11:05:51.231+00:002010-11-26T11:05:51.231+00:00A minor correction - Turkey did not have de jure s...A minor correction - Turkey did not have de jure sovereignty over Persia, which had been its rival pretty well ever since the Ottomans occupied Mesopotamia. Regardless of this, had the Turkish Empire remained at its 1914 extent, it would have enjoyed the oil reserves of modern Iraq and Kuwait, whilst its control of the Hedjaz (modern western Saudi Arabia) would no doubt have made it influential in that part of the region too. I somehow think that the impulse to meddle in Turkey's affairs would have been too much for the other great powers to resist under those circumstances and the Ottomans were probably doomed anyway.<br /><br />If you are in the market for further reading, I recommend the Richard Evans book, 'The Coming of the Third Reich', which describes excellently the enormous mess that Germany was in. It is first in a trilogy which runs to the collapse of the Third Reich, but is very good as a stand alone book.<br /><br />I see that staybryte recommends the Alan Bullock 'Hitler: A Study in Tyranny'. Now, fine book though this is, it was one of the earliest serious books about the Nazis and a great deal of research has taken place since. I think the Kershaw two volume biography has now superseded it as the best on Hitler.Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01146808185620364646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-81555240884720035782010-11-26T02:11:18.929+00:002010-11-26T02:11:18.929+00:00On top of that Communist ideology goes against Jud...<i>On top of that Communist ideology goes against Judaism in that it outlaw relgions and also believes in equal wealth for everyone.</i><br /><br />Spare us this nonsense Rachel, please.<br /><br />Who were the majority of the Bolshevik leadership? The leftist agitators in Germany after WW1? Remind us, what were Marx's origins? Then ring leaders of the '68 unrest in France? The list goes on and on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-38534132605600919292010-11-26T02:08:11.824+00:002010-11-26T02:08:11.824+00:00I'd say that it's trouble was that it was ...<i>I'd say that it's trouble was that it was far too weak. The French border should have been moved to the Rhine and Germany split up again.</i><br /><br />Or you could just as easily say the 1870 settlement was far too lenient. France should have been split up into smaller units to stop it threatening its neighbours. No more France after 1870 means no WW1 and therefore no WW2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78975196940043076762010-11-25T21:47:52.826+00:002010-11-25T21:47:52.826+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.AgainsTTheWallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-69417616389171787172010-11-25T21:18:19.173+00:002010-11-25T21:18:19.173+00:00How exactly did the National Socialist German Work...How exactly did the National Socialist German Workers Party become right? <br /><br />http://lovefreedomtruth.com/2010/10/the-community-comes-before-the-individual/<br /><br />Don’t let the Left continue with its Orwellian use of language. It perverts the prism through which we view the world.LoveFreedomTruth.Comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02058824655591652213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-63795824423232173002010-11-25T19:52:41.364+00:002010-11-25T19:52:41.364+00:00@AgainsTthewall
I resent your remark. I am Jewish ...@AgainsTthewall<br />I resent your remark. I am Jewish and my family were never Communist.<br />They were always very anti Communist and many of them fled communist countries. <br />On top of that Communist ideology goes against Judaism in that it outlaw relgions and also believes in equal wealth for everyone. The Talmud says that there will never be equality of wealth for everyone and calls wealth a blessing while in Communism "property is theft".<br />Bear in mind that all Jews who were/are in communist leadership were atheist Jews who had very little or no connection to their religion.<br /><br />Stalin was planning to murder the Jews before he died. He perpertrated the doctor's plot where he falsely accused and tortured a number of high ranking doctors just because they were Jewish. <br />If I were as offensive as you I would say that Communism ideology was much nearer to Christian ideology and all the countries starting it were Christian...but I know that follows the same idiotic logic you used.<br />As for your " antics of the Jewish-Bolshevik scum" phrase - what is that other than pure antisemitism.Rachel Leahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-27221185556257292422010-11-25T17:11:43.567+00:002010-11-25T17:11:43.567+00:00"With the ECB camped out in the treasuries of..."With the ECB camped out in the treasuries of Athens and Dublin, running the show from the Aegean to the Atlantic, thank goodness that the EU has finally lifted the threat of a dark, thousand-year shadow falling across Europe."<br /><br />This is a joke right? The ECB is in the process of wrecking the economy of and bankrupting the entire continent. Remember? Also the EU is in the process of starting a civil war owing to it's support for mass immigration. Remember?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-35159779625404818662010-11-25T12:48:17.090+00:002010-11-25T12:48:17.090+00:00With the ECB camped out in the treasuries of Athen...With the ECB camped out in the treasuries of Athens and Dublin, running the show from the Aegean to the Atlantic, thank goodness that the EU has finally lifted the threat of a dark, thousand-year shadow falling across Europe.<br /><br />How different things looked in 1939.KBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-30344619651110430072010-11-25T10:11:52.959+00:002010-11-25T10:11:52.959+00:00Laban
Apologies, the relevant chapter in Bullock ...Laban<br /><br />Apologies, the relevant chapter in Bullock for the 1918-24 period in Germany is: "The Years of Struggle."staybrytenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-20434192862091476102010-11-25T06:57:34.318+00:002010-11-25T06:57:34.318+00:00Seems like Fergusson might have a slanted view of ...Seems like Fergusson might have a slanted view of German history. As Moriarty points out the Left were leading the way in violent disorder and revolution. Does Fergusson not refer to the Left's attempts at coup d'etats or murder of thousands? He probably does nt mention the overrepresentation of Jews amongst the Communist leadership either (a characteristic in other European Communist Parties then and since). The actions of the 'right' and indeed the rise of the Nazis were but reactions to the antics of the Jewish-Bolshevik scum and the Treaty of Versailles.AgainsTTheWallnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-75008168356640253962010-11-25T02:48:13.819+00:002010-11-25T02:48:13.819+00:00" The French border should have been moved to..." The French border should have been moved to the Rhine and Germany split up again."<br /><br />Thank God this senseless conflict is history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-55684043432418407492010-11-25T00:31:45.862+00:002010-11-25T00:31:45.862+00:00"the Treaty was modern slavery": how doe..."the Treaty was modern slavery": how does it compare with the reparations that Germany imposed on France after the war of 1870? Or the looting of Germany by the USSR after WWII?<br /><br />I'd say that it's trouble was that it was far too weak. The French border should have been moved to the Rhine and Germany split up again.deariemenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-10876107253229715112010-11-24T22:39:43.265+00:002010-11-24T22:39:43.265+00:00dearieme: because theose demands could never be re...dearieme: because theose demands could never be repaid and in effect, the Treaty was modern slavery which would have still been in place even to this day had Germany not broken out of those contracts.<br /><br />Laban: Regards Hitler being 'right' -- he was a national socialist, and the political philosophy was collectivist, national socialism was a classic left-wing movement.<br /><br />Please read the NSDAP's 25 point manifesto: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSDAP_25_points_manifesto<br /><br />Sorry, but this is a bugbear with me, I and many other right wing folks are sick and tired to be assumed to be the Nazi vom Dienst and to be confused with our (inter)national socialist 'friends'.Hexe Froschbeinnoreply@blogger.com