tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post116929916863894175..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Carnival Of The HypocritesLabanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169742691258689242007-01-25T16:31:00.000+00:002007-01-25T16:31:00.000+00:00Ah the old Grammar school debate. Just why did Lab...Ah the old Grammar school debate. Just why did Labour decide to close a system that has produced two prime-ministers in favour of a system that only ever produced factory fodder? <BR/><BR/>As one of those that was destined to be factory fodder, I feel the answer to that question would reveal the truth behind the motivations of the Labour elite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169651867317382872007-01-24T15:17:00.000+00:002007-01-24T15:17:00.000+00:00I recall Helena Bonham Carter's comment and felt i...I recall Helena Bonham Carter's comment and felt it was true. All she said was that there was a kind of attitude to you in the medi if you came from a middle class background. Yet the reaction was as if she was slagging off the working classes, which she patently wasn't.<BR/><BR/>I sympathise with many of those poor kids who are from broken families and have had no support or guidance, my heart goes out to them, but the likes of Jade I have no time for. With £8 million she does not have any excuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169502057947494452007-01-22T21:40:00.000+00:002007-01-22T21:40:00.000+00:00Working class people generally don't need grammar ...Working class people generally don't need grammar schools to give them "beautiful English and good manners".<BR/><BR/>True, anonymous. But the point of the post wasn't to imply that only grammars teach good manners, but to point out that for many commentators, having good manners = middle class, being like Jade = working class.<BR/><BR/>(It helps with the hatful of A levels though. In the age where schools select by postcode, a child from a poor area is likely to end up in a poor school.<BR/><BR/>You may have been fortunate and your comp may have been OK - my old school wasn't too bad for the first few years as a comp. After that the slide was dramatic though. I think it's just come out of special measures.)Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169480098869211362007-01-22T15:34:00.000+00:002007-01-22T15:34:00.000+00:00>So for the sake of your comparison,a succesful En...>So for the sake of your comparison,a succesful English Middle Class actress in CBB instead, say Kate Winslet, would have lost out in the media war with Jade Goody? That doesn't seem likely to me. <BR/><BR/>Not only likely, it happened. Remember Kathy Burke attacking Helena Bonham Carter for being so upper-middle class? The media gloried in it. (Kate Winslet would probably be different, but that's because she has - despite Titanic - established an alternative Film-Four image).Blithering Bunnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15116081985963847583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169471843519970802007-01-22T13:17:00.000+00:002007-01-22T13:17:00.000+00:00I'd be interested in the first anonymous elucidati...I'd be interested in the first anonymous elucidating why he thinks Laban has a <I>1930's, "everyone in their place" vision of Britain</I>.<BR/><BR/>Your acknowledgement of grade inflation marks you out as someone who recognises that education is not as it should be. I think you and Laban would agree on that.<BR/><BR/>Let me lay out three educational positions:<BR/>1. children should learn to speak received pronouciation (or an equivalent).<BR/>2. children can and should learn a command of English<BR/>3. children will naturally acquire a good command of English reagrdless of what educators attempt. <BR/><BR/>Supporting (2) does not imply a support for (1). It seems to me that your condemnation of Laban is based upon a the assumption that he supports (1). It seems me that there are many educators who believe (3) and consequently oppose implementing (2) on the grounds of it being "anti-working class". <BR/><BR/>Opposing this last POV is hardly being being lost in a romantic dream of a mythical past. I should have thought the Romantic label belongs to those who would claim, in the face of evidence like Jade Goody, that children will naturally acquire a good command of English.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169469812794713712007-01-22T12:43:00.000+00:002007-01-22T12:43:00.000+00:00Definition of chutzpah: India, with its Caste syst...Definition of chutzpah: India, with its Caste system, complaining of racism in Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169469323207846142007-01-22T12:35:00.000+00:002007-01-22T12:35:00.000+00:00As I read on another blog, (can't remember where) ...As I read on another blog, (can't remember where) to be a racist is the modern equivalent of being a Witch.<BR/><BR/>Once branded, you have no chance to defend yourself, and have to be burned at the stake.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169450651924400192007-01-22T07:24:00.000+00:002007-01-22T07:24:00.000+00:00I don't know who the peeved anon with a chip on hi...I don't know who the peeved anon with a chip on his shoulder is but he clearly hasn't been reading this blog very long otherwise he would not be jumping to the wrong conclusions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169430805952220932007-01-22T01:53:00.000+00:002007-01-22T01:53:00.000+00:00"No anon (above) you live in a fantasy world."Care..."No anon (above) you live in a fantasy world."<BR/><BR/>Care to explain why? <BR/><BR/>Methinks you need to actually mix with ordinary English people instead of basing your perceptions on the stereotypical rubbish you read in the media and see on TV. Do you think my 'A' level certificates are faked? Have you noticed a problem with my English?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169429638091584292007-01-22T01:33:00.000+00:002007-01-22T01:33:00.000+00:00No anon (above) you live in a fantasy world.No anon (above) <I>you</I> live in a fantasy world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169428203965541302007-01-22T01:10:00.000+00:002007-01-22T01:10:00.000+00:00It's a great shame you had to spoil this piece by ...It's a great shame you had to spoil this piece by peddling your own brand of middle-class snobbery. Working class people generally don't need grammar schools to give them "beautiful English and good manners". We acquire these virtues from our parents. Perhaps middle-class people aren't exposed to these virtues at home and must therefore get them from their school, I don't know. I emerged from a state comprehensive with a hatful of 'A' levels several decades ago, long before grade inflation took place. But don't worry Laban, I won't sully your vision of 1930's, "everyone in their place" vision of Britain with my coarse, comprehensive school ways, I live in a more open-minded country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169323223791477142007-01-20T20:00:00.000+00:002007-01-20T20:00:00.000+00:00Jade cannot be racist because her father was black...Jade cannot be racist because her father was black <BR/><BR/>http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005390138,00.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169322109209864622007-01-20T19:41:00.000+00:002007-01-20T19:41:00.000+00:00Eight 'Asian' men attack 15 year old English schoo...Eight 'Asian' men attack 15 year old English schoolboy in playground with a hammer. No reaction from press or politicians. <BR/>Muslims preach hate and promote murder in mosques revealed on Dispatches: Undercover Mosque programme. No reaction from press or politicians. <BR/>Three slappers are nasty to an Indian woman on Celebrity Big Brother...<BR/>MAJOR DIPLOMATIC INCIDENT.<BR/>Now, 'hypocirsy' is to be expected from The Sun, but is there a word to describe how the establishment ignores physical attacks and the promotion of such attacks on English people while acting as if something really bad has happened when a foreigner is made upset by bullying?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169315298997620372007-01-20T17:48:00.000+00:002007-01-20T17:48:00.000+00:00No, the point that is being made is that the three...No, the point that is being made is that the three women would have been just as spiteful, hateful, jealous and cruel to the imaginary 'Sally Smith'.<BR/><BR/>The fact that she would be white would mean that it would be called what is is: bullying, no racial element.<BR/><BR/>Or are you suggesting that being bullied (in the course of which your tormentors use a racial epithet or refer to your colour) is in some way so much worse than 'normal' bullying..? And causes Govt ministers to feel the need to spout off to the media about a tedious, pointless little tv show...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169313336817685272007-01-20T17:15:00.000+00:002007-01-20T17:15:00.000+00:00"Just imagine how this would have played if Shilpa..."Just imagine how this would have played if Shilpa was plain Sally Smith, a working class girl who'd emerged from grammar school with a hatful of A levels, beautiful English and good manners."<BR/><BR/>So for the sake of your comparison,a succesful English Middle Class actress in CBB instead, say Kate Winslet, would have lost out in the media war with Jade Goody? That doesn't seem likely to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com