tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post114518058945899050..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Council Election Campaign - BNP "to drop Beckham, Rooney from England squad" ?Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145442253105805342006-04-19T10:24:00.000+00:002006-04-19T10:24:00.000+00:00Anonymous - are you all one person?You have pointe...Anonymous - are you all one person?<BR/><BR/>You have pointed up the contradiction that is the modern British conservative very nicely. Also encapsulated in 'Im not a racist but...' Pah! Strap on pair Laban and recognise the validity of the BNP's stance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145435994102720492006-04-19T08:39:00.000+00:002006-04-19T08:39:00.000+00:00The thought of my grandchildren living under Shari...The thought of my grandchildren living under Sharia law in our high Muslim area puts me in dread for their future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145381163607956162006-04-18T17:26:00.000+00:002006-04-18T17:26:00.000+00:00johnm, good post, but the fact is, English identit...johnm, good post, but the fact is, English identity is not simply anyone who believes in individualism, English people are a tribe descended from the Anglo-Saxons and a mixture of various others.<BR/>If that tribe either dies out or becomes 'swamped' by other larger groups of people, that will be the end of the English ethnic/racial identity.<BR/><BR/>Should we try to stop that happening or not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145368529289975462006-04-18T13:55:00.000+00:002006-04-18T13:55:00.000+00:00"Gareth, yes encouraging segregation is a very bad..."Gareth, yes encouraging segregation is a very bad policy from the BNP, they need to build a strong national identity not divide the country. I thought they were against multi-culturalism?? "<BR/><BR/>Yes they are. They wouldnt have got us to this situation in the first place, but if they are to be elected they have to deal with it. I dont think their current proposals are right, but they are better than current policies by a long way. For reasons listed above, there is historic resistance to the idea of promoting miscegnation, but i consider it the only moral solution to the problem. (coupled with other things such as stopping anymore, deporting ALL illegals, and paying as many as possible a decent sum to go home)<BR/><BR/>Annonymous; Ismal is one of many earthly manifestations of my atrocious spelling. I meant islam of course.ba bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178542110930629126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145362675523883652006-04-18T12:17:00.000+00:002006-04-18T12:17:00.000+00:00BNP member: who is Ismal, and why are Brummies so ...BNP member: who is Ismal, and why are Brummies so forthright in defending his honour?<BR/><BR/>PDFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145355877846848202006-04-18T10:24:00.000+00:002006-04-18T10:24:00.000+00:00I find it contradictory to one the one hand compla...<I>I find it contradictory to one the one hand complain about the loss of English identity like my dad does (and many other people), and then suggest English ethnic identity isn't important as long as they have good character.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not sure this is such a contradiction.<BR/><BR/>Suggesting that we judge people based on their character is rooted in individualism, which has always been a strong element within the English national psyche. For example, English notions of freedom existed long before democracy. In contrast the modern appeal to multiculturalism is based upon collectivism. Multiculturalism does not judge people according to their individual character but according to the ethnic group they belong to. [My definition of multiculturalism here is based upon it's political aspects and not merely multi-ethnicity.]<BR/><BR/>There have been several attempts recently to define the British character, notably by Gordon Brown. It is noticable that these have tended to be risible, I would suggest, mainly because of this individualism. We can't agree on what constitutes Englishness because we reject the idea of ethnic labels. <BR/><BR/>On this reading it is perfectly possible to reject multiculturalism on the grounds of opposing it's group-think nature without it being implicit that the speaker be racist. Equally, the defence of Englishness is not inextricably based upon being ethnically English but upon the recognisition that individualism as practiced in England is under threat.<BR/><BR/>As an example, an aquaintence of mine is a Turkish Cypriot Muslim. She has married an atheist, is bringing up her children as Muslim, and never wears a veil except in the Mosque. She is livid that people presume that the MAB/MCB speaks for her in any matter. She thought the cartoons were offensive but that the demonstrations, riots and murders were far far worse.<BR/><BR/>I am pretty sure that she is an example of an immigrant that your Dad would be quite comfortable with. Although she is different, she is still recognisably English.<BR/><BR/>I would suggest that your Dad is trying to articulate the view that a concern with immigration need not be based upon racism but upon a recognition that at the end of the day, some attempt at integration needs to be made. Multiculturalism is not based upon promoting what we have in common but on emphasising that which divides us. If Multiculturalsim remains the dominant philosophy then we risk the Balkanisation of Britain.JohnMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05696206173235574775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145335604599659232006-04-18T04:46:00.000+00:002006-04-18T04:46:00.000+00:00Moriarty, The question is whether we judge people ...Moriarty, The question is whether we judge people based purely on their 'individual' charactor, or do we make generalizations about people based on their ethnicity.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I find it contradictory to one the one hand complain about the loss of English identity like my dad does (and many other people), and then suggest English ethnic identity isn't important as long as they have good character.<BR/>If that was true, whats to complain about in the first place?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Gareth, yes encouraging segregation is a very bad policy from the BNP, they need to build a strong national identity not divide the country. I thought they were against multi-culturalism??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145321545771941582006-04-18T00:52:00.000+00:002006-04-18T00:52:00.000+00:00...you claim its charactor, culture and country th...<I>...you claim its charactor, culture and country that matters, when previously you have stated that Germans integrate much better than North Africans...</I><BR/><BR/>This sentence makes no sense at all.<BR/><BR/>Are you claiming that Germans and N. Africans have the same character, culture and country, so that any perceived difference in integration is purely due to skin colour? Or, as I suspect, is the only difference between people of different countries that you notice their skin colour?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145307303157458812006-04-17T20:55:00.000+00:002006-04-17T20:55:00.000+00:00Its ethnicity, culture and numbers.We can easily a...Its ethnicity, culture and numbers.<BR/><BR/>We can easily asborb very small numbers of almost any immigrant group, assuming our culture is self-confident enough.<BR/><BR/>However the larger the numbers the more it matters just who those people are. White euro Christians are not going to as problematical as non-white muslims. Pretending otherwise used to be liberal posturing <I>now</I> its a matter of wilfull stupidity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145307207341754132006-04-17T20:53:00.000+00:002006-04-17T20:53:00.000+00:00"I don't think Laban is being particulary confusin..."I don't think Laban is being particulary confusing. White Nationalists tend to relentlessly focus on who is 'genetically pure', and in doing so, put off a lot of people."<BR/><BR/>I kind of agree. While races exist, and blacks are less inteligent and more aggressive than whites, if we accept that it is immoral to remove people from this country just because they are black, and both i and the BNP do, then the next logical step is to say, ok, what do we do with them?<BR/><BR/>The BNP's current policy in this area amounts to encouraging segregation, but with fair treatment of all. Personally I consider forced or even encouraged segregation wrong, because as they have much higher birthrates, we would be overrun anyway, and it would split the country up into autonomous or semi autonomous regions. My policy would be to use a stick and a carrot to force integration, and to give money to those who cant hack it to go home. <BR/><BR/>We have to accept that, unfortunately, whole cities of them are here - I dare you to take a trip through birmingham with an "i hate ismal" t-shirt if you dont believe me - and we have to stop seperate colonies growing on our island, as they are now.<BR/><BR/>Best,<BR/>Gareth.ba bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178542110930629126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145287238737114862006-04-17T15:20:00.000+00:002006-04-17T15:20:00.000+00:00Michaelcd, but you have just done the same as Laba...Michaelcd, but you have just done the same as Laban, you claim its charactor, culture and country that matters, when previously you have stated that Germans integrate much better than North Africans...<BR/><BR/>You can't have it both ways, either ethnicity matters or not.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Germans indistinguishable from Brits? lol, anglo-saxons are a germanic tribe...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145282993203580512006-04-17T14:09:00.000+00:002006-04-17T14:09:00.000+00:00Eric, cut the silly 'tache off that pet of yours.Eric, cut the silly 'tache off that pet of yours.deariemehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06654632450454559188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145274101487848772006-04-17T11:41:00.000+00:002006-04-17T11:41:00.000+00:00Well, as a Yank outsider looking in, and without a...Well, as a Yank outsider looking in, and without a real understanding of British politics, I can see where many Brits are growing uncomfortable with a large number of immigrants who appear to hate you and want to kill you.<BR/><BR/>But then again, maybe all those "Behead the infidels" signs were just that--signs.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382918421904501282noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145273061317481002006-04-17T11:24:00.000+00:002006-04-17T11:24:00.000+00:00I don't think Laban is being particulary confusing...I don't think Laban is being particulary confusing. White Nationalists tend to relentlessly focus on who is 'genetically pure', and in doing so, put off a lot of people. <BR/><BR/>Personally I don't believe that genetics are the be all and end all of being British. The fact is a unique culture has arisen out of the fusion of both European influences, and periods of isolation. The love of this culture and history is something which is felt strongly within myself. <BR/><BR/>The modern consumer culture offers non of this. It tells us we are all the same - consumers - and the globalised world will give us 'World cities' where we can find shopping and restaurants from everywhere. The result is the gloablised monoculture where New York, London, Paris are identical in every single way. A Somalian or a Kosovan doesn't need to attempt to fit in or intergrate to this, they can talk their own language, and eat their own food; turning it into a home from home. You don't need to respect the country, you don;t need to love it and the fact is all these immigrants see Britain as a financial milchcow only.<BR/><BR/>However, IMO you can still believe that intergration <B>is possible</B>. People from completely antithetical cultures simply do not intergrate into western society. The North Africans in Paris are a prime example of people who may have been born in France but are sill Islamic, still anti-semetic and have a propensity to engage in mysogynistic acts of gang rape on French girls. But there were Germans in London 100 and 120 years ago who's decendents are virtually indistinguishable from other Brits. <BR/><BR/>It is easier to say to say only pure blood people are English or to be a blank slater and say that there is absolutely no difference between people whoever, wherever. And people like Steve Sailer come in for critisicm from the left and liberals and white nationalsists in equal doses. But if we can avoid genetics and accusations of ray-seessm and still defend the character, culture and country that we love. Then I don't see what the problem is.Michaelcdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01092827120511311699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145204270256970802006-04-16T16:17:00.000+00:002006-04-16T16:17:00.000+00:00Laban, "I could never join an organisation like th...Laban, "I could never join an organisation like the BNP, being an old-fashioned type who believes in content of character"..<BR/><BR/><BR/>If it is only charactor that mattered, why do you keep writing about (complaining about) immigration and the rapid ethnic change in this country?<BR/>If you judge each person on their charactor it wouldn't matter would it??<BR/><BR/>You sound like my dad, he has in the past made comments like, "Enoch Powell was right", "their's too many foreigners in the country", "we are losing our identity", etc etc.<BR/>But then he turns around and says he likes blacks and has always found them nice people, and is all for giving asylum to starving Africans etc.<BR/><BR/>Well you can't have it both ways.<BR/>Your generation seems very confused about this, they are sad about the loss of English identity, but at the same time seem to support policies which result in us losing our national sovereign identity, or at least policies which don't prevent us losing it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1145198650640198522006-04-16T14:44:00.000+00:002006-04-16T14:44:00.000+00:00Interesting post.Interesting post.ba bahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14178542110930629126noreply@blogger.com