tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post5922996351059660531..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Hate Site HassleLabanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-66342379919230646052009-03-03T17:18:00.000+00:002009-03-03T17:18:00.000+00:00Be careful, Moriarty. If the corporate Stasi check...<I>Be careful, Moriarty. If the corporate Stasi check their logs and catch you doing that, you'll be out on your ear on a gross misconduct charge.</I><BR/><BR/>I don't think they'd notice unless they were looking through the logs specificly to target me, in which case I'm probably toast anyway so what the hell. The way blogger handles comments helps. As it happens, since posting that last comment ukcommentators has been unblocked anyway.<BR/><BR/>(incidently, the computer I'm on has already been used to search for this blog recently by someone else, so there must be a lot of LT fans about.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-71268848786428268002009-03-02T21:34:00.000+00:002009-03-02T21:34:00.000+00:00I use OpenDNS as my DNS provider - I switched beca...I use OpenDNS as my DNS provider - I switched because I knew they were immune to the bad DNS attack discovered last year.<BR/><BR/>It's "open" in that anyone can use the service free. I don't think you need an account at all in fact, although I have one.<BR/><BR/>Coincidentally, yesterday I was looking at something else and saw some "filtering" options in their settings - and saw I was set to "minimal" (or some such) - I changed this to "none". I think "minimal" filtering must be a default for them. I have definitely read your site at this setting though - so the damage must be done at the a heavier filter setting. Which is not so bad, but still not so good either ...<BR/><BR/>The service is good - but the "wisdom of crowds" filtering approach can be easily subverted I think.<BR/><BR/>AlastairUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04637725722865884290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-5444984235652780022009-03-02T17:10:00.000+00:002009-03-02T17:10:00.000+00:00Well when you put it like that you are right Anon ...Well when you put it like that you are right Anon 11:26.<BR/><BR/>But I think any company that gets a bailout from the government should be considered defacto bankrupt.. prior to that support.<BR/>If that was so it would give the government chance to get out of a lot of these crazy contracts, including unaffordable sporting sponsorships.<BR/><BR/>I question the notion that there is any such thing as a private company that happens to be majority (or even a small but significant share) owned by a government.<BR/>For example EDF, it is state controlled whether officially or not, it is never going to move its management or a significant amount of R&D to another country no matter the economics of the decision.<BR/><BR/>-<BR/>You say Gordon Brown made decision 3.<BR/>What gives him the right?<BR/>This was a rush decision without much parliamentary debate at all.<BR/>They are behaving like dictators.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-41718103727691439682009-03-02T14:04:00.000+00:002009-03-02T14:04:00.000+00:00Thats NOT whats going on here, Goodwin bankrupted ...<I>Thats NOT whats going on here, Goodwin bankrupted RBS, if it wasn't for government support he would have nothing.<BR/>It is the tax payer who is funding his pension.<BR/>Why should my family who earn maybe £25,000 be forced through taxation to contribute to this mans £650,000 a year pension?</I><BR/><BR/>I was making a narrow point about the dangers of retrospective legislation. Even the Left Wing Harry's Place gets it<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/03/02/sentence-first-verdict-afterwards/" REL="nofollow">here</A><BR/><BR/>However let's do a just suppose. In an alternate universe the government learns RBS is going under. It has three choices<BR/><BR/>1. Let the bank sink - repay the depositors up to the guaranteed sum<BR/><BR/>This option is right one in normal circumstances. There is some concern about the domino effect of bank failings currently, so this is rejected.<BR/><BR/>2. Set up a new shell organisation which takes over the assets and certain liabilities of RBS<BR/><BR/>This means that the depositors are protected, and banking confidence is retained. RBS employees are offered positions but not on the basis of their existing contract. The new bank offers remuneration at the old rate less 10% with NO rises or bonuses until the bank is profitable. Anyone who doesn't accept the offer gets statutory redundancy from the existing RBS.<BR/><BR/>3. The bank buys a big share without due diligence<BR/><BR/>The Gordon Brown option.<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>Now I'd be happy to have done 2. If companies fail in normal times and what they did was at all useful, then other companies buy the assets and hire the useful staff. The worthwhile bits continue with new management. My option 2 is designed to do just that. We don't need the whole bank. We just look at what is worth salvaging and buy that at the current market rate or slightly above. The rest of the bank can go insolvent. <BR/><BR/>RBS honours its existing remuneration contracts from what it obtains through the yard sale. Insolvent companies pay staff first, creditors last. Fred may get some bonus but certainly not the current amount.<BR/><BR/>But we didn't do that. We did 3<BR/><BR/>---<BR/><BR/>My objection is to the idea that the state can act as if the law can be made up on the hoof. This is a terrifying idea. It would scare me if I shared ideology with the ruling party let alone if I did't. This is Harriet Harperson who thinks that not enough men get convicted of rape. A party that can't tell the difference between tax evasion and tax avoidance.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Anon 11:26Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-58494509702469436362009-03-02T11:27:00.000+00:002009-03-02T11:27:00.000+00:00Moriarty: (currently reading Laban via the Google ...Moriarty: <I>(currently reading Laban via the Google cache)</I><BR/><BR/>Be careful, Moriarty. If the corporate Stasi check their logs and catch you doing that, you'll be out on your ear on a gross misconduct charge. There's no obvious reason for reading the Google cache of a page of which the original is still up other than to by-pass company web policy. Mind you, if they're so thick they haven't already blocked off Google cache, then they probably won't have the smarts to catch you anyway.<BR/><BR/>Company I used to work for went through a phase of blocking <I>all</I> blogs, messageboards, etc, on the grounds that, given the chance, we'd be spending the whole day on-line slagging them off. As if we'd do something like that. Ironically, the blanket block caught not only useful sites I regularly consulted when resolving IT problems but also - oh the joyous <I>Schadenfreude</I> - sites that senior management firmly recommended us all to visit.Edwin Greenwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03639193560457674072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-58161269501243276292009-03-02T09:58:00.000+00:002009-03-02T09:58:00.000+00:00I suppose it could be worse, the sweary Devil's Ki...I suppose it could be worse, the sweary Devil's Kitchen is classed here as 'pornography'.<BR/><BR/>(currently reading Laban via the Google cache)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78041730781801966942009-03-01T15:34:00.000+00:002009-03-01T15:34:00.000+00:00All I can say is, thank God I only get 70 hits a d...All I can say is, thank God I only get 70 hits a day.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11219870920638914624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-35976826670807347172009-03-01T14:49:00.000+00:002009-03-01T14:49:00.000+00:00Anon I in no way support the government taking pro...Anon I in no way support the government taking property from people it considers undeserving.<BR/><BR/>Thats NOT whats going on here, Goodwin bankrupted RBS, if it wasn't for government support he would have nothing.<BR/>It is the tax payer who is funding his pension.<BR/>Why should my family who earn maybe £25,000 be forced through taxation to contribute to this mans £650,000 a year pension?<BR/><BR/>Its not me who wants the government to take money from Goodwin on my behalf, its Goodwin who is getting the government to take money from members of the public and give it to him, you have got it the wrong way aronnd Anon 1:25.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-5074550117622084292009-03-01T13:25:00.000+00:002009-03-01T13:25:00.000+00:00Well I see I'm in a minority.Most commentators her...Well I see I'm in a minority.<BR/><BR/>Most commentators here have no problem with the state taking property from people they deem undeserving. <BR/><BR/>This seems to apply even if that person broke no law to get that money. It's not in dispute that we all agree this money is undeserved. Nor is it in dispute that if he has committed fraud then the money should be recovered, but as far as I know this hasn't happened. <BR/><BR/>So the demand appears to be: the state should have the right to confiscate property from any citizen who is deemed to have upset the people (but not broken any rule)<BR/><BR/>I hope all the people who make this demand understand that once the state goes down this path it won't limit the grab to rich bankers. Indeed, I doubt that many bankers will find their pockets picked. Sure there'll be a few high profile grabs to fill the papers but thereafter the state will take the property of middle class people who don't follow the party line. <BR/><BR/>Do you recycle? Perhaps you run a blog where you quoted the word "P*k*". Does anyone think the Harriet Harpersons of this world will hesitate to grab the property of people she deems to be hatemongers?<BR/><BR/>Make the demand. Feel good about yourselves for now. Don't complain when the state knocks on your doors.<BR/><BR/>Anon 11:26Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-22651048486784990652009-03-01T08:25:00.000+00:002009-03-01T08:25:00.000+00:00It's probably The Loony from Catford or Woolly Min...It's probably The Loony from Catford or Woolly Minded Liberal off CiF. You know how fanatically intolerant such people are of people who do not share their highly broad minded and tolerant world view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-55942231269372637012009-03-01T07:42:00.000+00:002009-03-01T07:42:00.000+00:00Damn you hatemonger!Damn you hatemonger!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-32768475309875474452009-03-01T02:51:00.000+00:002009-03-01T02:51:00.000+00:00What if Fred had merely been an old boy cleaning o...What if Fred had merely been an old boy cleaning out the bogs at RBS HQ. If RBS ran into major problems, quite likely his pension could affected adversely.<BR/><BR/>"Sorry Fred old boy, we've all got to make sacrifices.".<BR/><BR/>Or if RBS went bankrupt, perhaps no pension at all.<BR/><BR/>"Sorry Fred old boy, the pot is empty."<BR/><BR/>In reality Fred has been wiping his arse with the principles of prudent banking and has helped to bring RBS to its knees. In reality he should get NOTHING. <BR/><BR/>"Sorry Fred old boy, we've all got to make sacrifices, performance related pay and all that, a seasoned executive like you would understand. No hard feelings, drop your office key off at reception and dont nick any biros."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-56249667799664942022009-03-01T01:59:00.000+00:002009-03-01T01:59:00.000+00:00I think you are wrong Anon 11:26.Goodwin bankrupte...I think you are wrong Anon 11:26.<BR/><BR/>Goodwin bankrupted RBS, the only reason it is still operating is because the tax payer bailed it out.<BR/><BR/>Goodwins pension should be only the same size has he would have got if RBS had gone 'officially' bankrupt, which would be a hell of a lot less than he is getting.<BR/><BR/>Thats whats wrong with the situation, Goodwin is getting a pension he is not entitled to simply by the governments mishandling (or corrupt handling) of the bailout.<BR/><BR/>If a bank paid £10,000 into your account by mistake they would claim it back asap because it was a mistake, not your money, the same should happen here, Goodwin has got money that doesn't rightfully belong to him.<BR/><BR/>Claim its in his contract all you want, but that counts for little in a bankrupt company.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-56647366445023293932009-02-28T23:26:00.000+00:002009-02-28T23:26:00.000+00:00Your previous post is about the slimeball Goodwin....Your previous post is about the slimeball Goodwin.<BR/><BR/>Whilst I'm incline to agree that his remuneration deal was a scandal, I have a problem with the implication that the state break the law to recover the money that he doesn't deserve. We need to look for a solution that prevents directors being rewarded for failure. This is a problem that affects state employees as much as any bank employee. <BR/><BR/>The implication you make is that somehow it would be good for the state to grab the money it thinks undeserved and redistribute it. I can't believe that a sober person would advocate such a course of action. The state's idea of undeserved doesn't begin to match yours (or mine). Therefore I must assume you were not sober.<BR/><BR/>If you want a example of hate speech then <A HREF="http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ronaldreag128358.html" REL="nofollow">demand the state "solve our problems"</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-45173639366000877962009-02-28T22:20:00.000+00:002009-02-28T22:20:00.000+00:00Well, I do think the site is provocative.. But its...Well, I do think the site is provocative.. But its not your fault, its simply that the truth is more worrying than what the MSM tell us.<BR/><BR/>Often when the MSM do tell us of stories they only briefly touch on it and don't give the full information.<BR/><BR/>Such as your post in 2009/02 "Allahpu Akhbar ?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-45963280266666224792009-02-28T18:44:00.000+00:002009-02-28T18:44:00.000+00:00... that their employer or local authority web fil...<I>... that their employer or local authority web filter software now classifies me as a 'hate site'</I><BR/><BR/>Rispek', man!Edwin Greenwoodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03639193560457674072noreply@blogger.com