tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post4607037667011869941..comments2024-03-29T09:13:55.008+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: "Is Britain Civilised ?"Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-45342516858167162482008-12-16T14:23:00.000+00:002008-12-16T14:23:00.000+00:00TDK, it's the same one. Neil Clark's political pos...TDK, it's the same one. Neil Clark's political positions are basically motivated by nostalgia for the 1970s which leads him to both sensible and stupid positions. His affection for Yugoslavia seems to stem from it being a bit like 1970s Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-10142030006046021012008-12-16T10:02:00.000+00:002008-12-16T10:02:00.000+00:00Are there several Neil Clark's or is this the same...Are there several Neil Clark's or is this the same Tanker who defends East European communism, denies the Srebrenica massacre and provides fodder for Oliver Kamm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-64800887500303707422008-12-15T18:27:00.000+00:002008-12-15T18:27:00.000+00:00Dearieme - Yes, the lesser of two evils can be a g...Dearieme - <BR/><BR/>Yes, the lesser of two evils can be a good thing, but it cannot be an "unambiguously" good thing (as it then couldn't be the lesser of two evils).<BR/><BR/>And, yes, no good ever came from extending the law into the bedrooms of consenting adults. The law should never have existed. However, the removal of the legal constraints on sodomy did unfortunately unleash and encourage the tiresome and destructive frenzy of 'sexual identity politics'.<BR/><BR/>Once, as neighbours, I had two men who lived together. Both ex-army (one highly decorated) and very civilised and literate, everyone knew they were sodomites but no-one cared. They went to church, joined Remembrance Day parades, particpated in community life, looked after their nephews and nieces, and took their holidays in Crete, North Africa, France and Italy visiting the graves of fallen comrades. They were not interested in 'gayness'; they just wanted to live decent and respectable lives. I fear we shall not see their like again.paul ilchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02971581388762736463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-25565746093570269842008-12-15T18:08:00.000+00:002008-12-15T18:08:00.000+00:00who you calling civilised, cunt!who you calling civilised, cunt!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-8973048213855958692008-12-15T15:41:00.000+00:002008-12-15T15:41:00.000+00:00Clark may be an odd sort at times but I'm with him...Clark may be an odd sort at times but I'm with him more or less all the way here. Especially regarding the older, socially conservative and patriotic traditions of the Labour party of another age.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-57324325878041209522008-12-15T05:54:00.000+00:002008-12-15T05:54:00.000+00:00Laban,Don't start me on Jenkins. I have the distin...Laban,<BR/><BR/>Don't start me on Jenkins. I have the distinction of having been represented by both him and George Galloway.Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11219870920638914624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-78627994511986883182008-12-15T00:03:00.000+00:002008-12-15T00:03:00.000+00:00Paul, I reckon that even just "the lesser of two e...Paul, I reckon that even just "the lesser of two evils" is a Good Thing. After all, the lesser of two evils is about the best you can hope for on so many issues. And I really can't see the likelihood of much good coming from criminalising what two adult males get up to in private.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-82407750557347001982008-12-14T22:27:00.000+00:002008-12-14T22:27:00.000+00:00Try this link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3...Try this link:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3586178/Roy-Jenkins-made-Britain-a-far-less-civilised-country.html" REL="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3586178/Roy-Jenkins-made-Britain-a-far-less-civilised-country.html</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-48367569724386102122008-12-14T21:51:00.000+00:002008-12-14T21:51:00.000+00:00I'm not sure, dearieme, that decriminalising sodom...I'm not sure, dearieme, that decriminalising sodomy was an "unambiguously...Good Thing". I'd prefer to see it as the lesser of two evils. <BR/><BR/>Hugh Oxford: well put; but Britain is not bankrupt - at least not yet, though Brown might achieve it. There are some positive straws in the wind...Warren Buffett and Anthony Bolton think that shares have reached the bottom and are buying (as am I), and the UK will probably emerge from the maelstrom sooner than euroland with its inflexibilities.paul ilchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02971581388762736463noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-35746315358571364672008-12-14T20:42:00.000+00:002008-12-14T20:42:00.000+00:00In a similar vein...January 8, 2003Was it so urban...In a similar vein...<BR/><BR/>January 8, 2003<BR/>Was it so urbane to create this urban hell, Roy?<BR/>By Theodore Dalrymple<BR/>Roy Jenkins was a decent and civilised man: amiable, erudite, a considerable prose stylist, a historian, a bon viveur, witty, urbane and cultivated. He did incalculable harm to his country. <BR/><BR/>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/thunderer/article809634.ece<BR/><BR/>David WilliamsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-32613615085154885402008-12-14T15:25:00.000+00:002008-12-14T15:25:00.000+00:00Of the so-called "liberal reforms" of the 60s, the...Of the so-called "liberal reforms" of the 60s, the only one that was unambiguously liberal and a Good Thing was the decriminalising of male homosexual acts. Otherwise, we can blame the Forces of Progress for an awful lot of damage - the deliberate buggering up of the schools being the single greatest act of cultural vandalism in our history.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-59717088502107391632008-12-14T14:20:00.000+00:002008-12-14T14:20:00.000+00:00Thanks for this Laban. Or rather, thanks for nothi...Thanks for this Laban. Or rather, thanks for nothing, as I find this kind of stuff depressing. But every day the unfolding story of Modern Britain, one act of brutality following another state attack on the common good, just makes existing here quite depressing. And now we are bankrupt. So what harm can a bit more do?<BR/><BR/>However, this article does outline the wicked, malevolent, destructive individual that Roy Jenkins was. I've just had to delete a paragraph of this post because my true feelings about this individual and the cadre of cretins to which he belonged are unprintable.<BR/><BR/>But of course, he was elected. Never forget that. Democracy delivered up all these things. Democracy has, so far, failed to rectify them, failed to undo them.<BR/><BR/>Yes, most of it went through on WMD style lies. Abortion was only for medical emergencies. Homosexuality was only legalised so that people ravaged by the diseases caused by promiscuous sodomy could be treated without being criminalised. We were only joining a trading bloc with our European neighbours. We would only have necessary levels of immigration. Contraception would only be for married women - it wouldn't fuel promiscuity. Divorce reform wouldn't lead to an increase in broken families. Welfare would only be for those that needed it.<BR/><BR/>Yes, the whole thing was built on lies, lies, lies and more lies, but that became obvious years ago and we haven't done anything about it. We haven't voted for people who will fix it.<BR/><BR/>We can't keep blaming the politicians. This is our bed. We all have to sleep in it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com