tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post266457842680447192..comments2024-03-19T12:49:45.494+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Myth of the Myth of 'Eurabia' ?Labanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-38213324853572967882009-08-27T03:47:49.185+00:002009-08-27T03:47:49.185+00:00We won't go without a fight. When the civil wa...We won't go without a fight. When the civil war ensues, tens of millions of Muslims will perish. You can bet on it. Even now I'm working with underground militia groups in Britain, France, Netherlands, and Germany, just waiting for the right moment. Europe will be reduced to a smouldeirng pile of rubble. And whose fault will it be? The blood is on the hands of the Marxists, Muslims, amd Multi-Cultists.<br />+Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-61440349903005393752009-08-11T16:54:04.527+00:002009-08-11T16:54:04.527+00:00Laban
Your comments on Shiraz are intelligent and...Laban<br /><br />Your comments on Shiraz are intelligent and perceptive (even if I don't agree with them) which is why it was a surprise to see your name at the end of this piece, which goes on for thousands of words without engaging with the issues at all.Max Dunbarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17804859177610374688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-403506387962193392009-08-09T17:18:37.785+00:002009-08-09T17:18:37.785+00:00Laban mentions above that the Left have lost the &...Laban mentions above that the Left have lost the "economic wars", but won the "culture wars" of the past few decades.<br /><br />True, but how did they manage it? Paradoxically, through economics. Since the 1960's, the Left have got themselves into entrenched positions at the soft end of the public sector -- the BBC, the subsidised arts, the educationist lobby, quangoes and fake charities, and so on.<br /><br />All of these exist, not by popular demand, but because they get handouts from the taxpayer.<br /><br />The answer is to abolish the tax handouts, and they will either disappear altogether, or will survive only by reflecting the true and traditional values of the British people. <br /><br />Problems such as multi-culturalism and immigration can then be confronted directly, rather than evaded by Leftist obfuscation and cowardice.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-67628716953156977042009-08-08T15:41:07.261+00:002009-08-08T15:41:07.261+00:00Power is its own right. The only right is the righ...Power is its own right. The only right is the right of the strong. The strong are always right - if they demand something, give it to them. Do not fight those stronger than you, no matter the cause or circumstance. Yesterday doesn't matter, tomorrow is far away, the only thing that matters is now. You want something, take it. Take it today.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-28600077300187084372009-08-08T01:35:03.255+00:002009-08-08T01:35:03.255+00:00However, for the BNP it is too late - they are too...<i>However, for the BNP it is too late - they are too tainted with the madness of racism and anti-semitism</i> - Anon the 1st.<br /><br />Beep! Is the <b>wrong</b> answer. You blew your cover there pal.<br /><br />You take the arch left/liberal assumption that racism and anti-semitism are purely psychological conditions. Remember in the USSR dissidents were declared mad, they had to be or else how could they disagree with the ruling ideology? In other words through tolerance and re-education the mad and moronic natives can be conditioned into proper thinking.<br /><br />In effect you're still selling us the whole left/liberal program and there is <i>no</i> solving our problems now from within that paradigm. We are decades past that stage. Maybe in '68 (you know why I chose that date of course) if people with clout had said "enough is enough, close the borders". We could have assimiltaed small minorities and kept our cosy liberalism. Way too late for that now mate, way too late.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-85510543166663624682009-08-07T22:00:22.872+00:002009-08-07T22:00:22.872+00:00Anonymous the first.
"One can argue ratinbal...Anonymous the first.<br /><br />"One can argue ratinbally against immigration from the standpoint of over-population and damage to the environment and quality of life due to high population densities, but not logically from a standpoint of racism and anti-semitism."<br /><br />Actually you can do both and the more coherent posters over at majorityrights.com do this by referencing 'Culture of Critique' by Kevin McDonald and 'On Genetic Interests' by Frank Salter.<br /><br />Not that either of these are arguments that I personally promote or ones that particularly motivate me. <br /><br />My personal journey and investigation of these things was driven by a hatred of political correctness.<br /><br />Nevertheless, they make arguments that are difficult to refute. <br /><br />As far as I am aware nobody has taken apart McDonald's 'Culture of Critique' and I find it difficult to fault Frank Salter's 'On Genetic Interests' other than how could anyone implement that without a totalitarian state. Diversity is great, lets preserve it seems to be all that drive Frank Salter.<br /><br />Its kind of funny to watch Labans Talls blog develop its own version of political correctness.Aknownymousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-72503444577274996032009-08-07T19:10:05.249+00:002009-08-07T19:10:05.249+00:00Anonymous 1st.
I certainly hope that neither I n...Anonymous 1st. <br /><br />I certainly hope that neither I nor my children see a day when "the people most angered by the rise of Islam in the UK will rise up and burn down the houses of the people of Islam". 'Twould be a disgusting crime.<br /><br />Given events in Bradford, Oldham, Burnley a few years back the reverse does seem more likely.Labanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-85565587190885816932009-08-07T18:23:52.281+00:002009-08-07T18:23:52.281+00:00For decades the establishment has lied about mass ...For decades the establishment has lied about mass immigration.<br /><br />In the 50s we were told that immigrants would only stay for a few years and then return home -- and to be fair most of the immigrants intended to do so.<br /><br />In the 60s and 70s when it became clear that many of the immigrants were staying, the establishment insisted that after a few years they would be thoroughly integrated, indistinguishable from the average Briton except for perhaps skin colour.<br /><br />In the 80s it became increasingly obvious that no such integration was taking place, and thus the concept of "multiculturalism" was created. In effect this turned the problem of non-integration into a "good thing" which was to be welcomed. In a wonderful bit of Orwellian newspeak, a problem became a benefit.<br /><br />It is the last lie that is the most damaging and dangerous of all. By redefining a problem as a benefit, it encouraged it to be built on. More immigration, more tensions, less community spirit, more ghettoisation, even groups now dedicated to the overthrow of our liberal democracy, and prepared to use violence. All simply dismissed in the name of multiculturalism. Even to the point where we had the then Labour Minister Margaret Hodge blithely stating that "immigration is good because it increases diversity" - no other justification needed apparently.<br /><br />Shame Hodege never read Putnam on diversity. A liberal academic who has actually studied and proved what many people I'm sure instinctively know.<br /><br />http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/<br />The downside of diversity<br />A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?<br /><br />IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.<br /><br />But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite.bodonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1748678203103898252009-08-07T16:50:41.151+00:002009-08-07T16:50:41.151+00:00By the way I see the BBC are keen to debunk the &q...By the way I see the BBC are keen to debunk the "myth of the rise of Islam":<br /><br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8189231.stm<br /><br />However, a rise of 300,000 to 1.6million in just 20 years is a 5 fold increase over that period. That means a rate of growth resulting in 8million Muslims by 2021 Which means that Muslims would easily hold the balance of power by that time - and hold the door open for further immigration. By 2041 they would number 40million - and easily outnumber the declining number of whites. That is just 30 years away on this trend rate of growth. Sure, these numbers could prove innacurate as trends change - but the momentum might actually be in the direction of faster change rather than slower as we have seen in the US with Hispanics being a powerful force holding the door open for further mass immigration with the white majority becoming a minority with depressing inevitability. The 2011 census may not prove much - many Muslims may decline to answer the question on religion, invoking the principle of taqqiya, as the inevitable backlash towards the growth of Islam might be forestalled by keeping the invasion a quiet one.Anonymous the 1stnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-5004102738028104262009-08-07T16:35:59.508+00:002009-08-07T16:35:59.508+00:00So why should we have particular concerns about Mu...So why should we have particular concerns about Muslims, rather than blacks or Jews? Because we perceive that they do not share our belief in toleration. We perceive that they would change our nation - or more accurately the nation of our children, in a way that neither we nor our children would appreciate. Then they planted bombs on trains and cheered when many were killed and proved to us beyond doubt that they did not share our values and beliefs and never would.<br /><br />Our basic human value of tolerance is actually being forcefully confronted by aggressive intolerance. What is the only viable response to this? Rolling-over seems to be the short-term approach but in the long-term <br />the only viable response is that the tolerant become INTOLERANT. But this is so hard for us to do. We actually have to challenge a fundamental part of what it actually means to be British, a fundamental part of our OWN PERSONAL VALUES that we have grown up with as a natural part of being British.<br /><br />Now, I have noticed things that have changed - more people my age are openly declaring themselves to be Christian, and more are going to church. I think this is part of the re-adjustment of people's <br />value-systems. The decline in CofE attendences has slowed to a near standstill, and will very likely reverse in the next few years as the demographics shift in favour of the new Christians. They are re-aligning themselves around Christianity as part of their culture rather than post-Enlightenment philosophy. Maybe <br />this is partly fuelled by the growing challenge from Islam - I have a suspicion that they are waiting for a new Ian Paisley. There was nothing like the challenge from Protestantism for putting a rocket under Catholicism and I'm guessing that the challenge of Islam will fire up a fervent belief in militant Christianity.<br /><br />At the same time people are making more and more open anti-Islam statements and more anti-immigration comments. They are re-aligning their actual views on "tolerance" around the concept of shared beliefs and values. Only those that are "tolerant" can be "tolerated" in our new world view. Islam must be fought the way Nazism was fought, and very often Islam is being equated with Nazism and Facism and for good reason. <br /><br />The BNP for its part has recognised that people's real concerns are aligned to culture and beliefs - and in particular the tendency of certain immigrants to be intolerant of the values and beliefs of the majority. <br /><br />However, for the BNP it is too late - they are too tainted with the madness of racism and anti-semitism to ever gain true popularity. I suspect they will be superceded by a new fervently anti-immigration/anti-islam party inspired by European anti-immigration/anti-islam parties.<br /><br />And when none of that works - the people most angered by the rise of Islam in the UK will rise up and burn down the houses of the people of Islam - while the police watch on and do nothing. Just like Northern Ireland - only bigger.<br /><br />I believe these things to be both inevitable and likely fairly imminent - certainly they are likely to happen in our lifetimes. It is fascinating to watch as it all unfolds, because such things have happened so often before. We Brits have often condemned those foreigners for their lack of toleration of others - and yet we are now likely to follow the same path.Anonymous the 1stnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-38222553345092890612009-08-07T16:33:28.767+00:002009-08-07T16:33:28.767+00:00Although I come to a similar conclusion, I approac...Although I come to a similar conclusion, I approach things from a very different perspective.<br /><br />I firmly believe that the indigenous people of Britain have an EXTREMELY STRONG culture. My Asian wife <br /><br />strongly agrees, and it helps to be able to see the UK and its people from the outside, looking in.<br /><br />British white people strongly believe in a sense of national community - almost absent in Asia where a sense <br /><br />of "family" easily surpasses any concerns of "community". British white people also have a strong sense of <br /><br />"rights" and "justice" of which freedom of speech and individual freedom are held in high regard. The <br /><br />political elite may not believe in such things - but the British people do. <br /><br />It is important to remember that the first wave of immigration - from the West Indies - very much softened <br /><br />us up for following waves of immigration. <br /><br />Blacks from the West Indies are from a predominantly Christian background and are not so very different from <br /><br />us. They can an do assimilate - although not always, as sometimes they prefer to create their own <br /><br />sub-cultures, but these sub-cultures seem ephemeral. Certainly it seems that the black community are more <br /><br />prone to crime than the white community - but that is not to say that the white community is without <br /><br />problems in this regard and the problems of criminality can be dealt with regardless of colour. The immigration of blacks caused a furious backlash - but as white people we were ultimately asked to confront our prejudices in terms of our cultural values "is it right to be nasty to black people just because of the colour of their skin?". The answer was a clear "no", and so the concept of "allowing people to be black" became part of Britain's natural tolerance of people's right to be different.<br /><br />Before the immigration of blacks from the West-Indies we had WWII and the exposure of the horrors of the <br /><br />holocaust. This called upon the people of Britain to question their own attitudes to people with "foreign" <br /><br />beliefs, particularly with regard to Jews, but also more generally to the indigenous people of the colonies.<br /><br />So these two events softened us up to the idea that black people and people with different beliefs should be <br /><br />allowed to live side by side with White Christian and White Atheists without hindrance, and this view was <br /><br />underpinned in the values we share in tolerance as a people since the time of William of Orange. And why <br /><br />not? Fundamentally the values and beliefs of the vast majority of Jewish and black people do not conflict <br /><br />with the values and beliefs of white people. One can argue ratinbally against immigration from the standpoint of over-population and damage to the environment and quality of life due to high population densities, but not logically from a standpoint of racism and anti-semitism. <br /><br />But these two events certainly softened us up for the next wave of immigration. If we could make room for <br /><br />those of a different religion, and those of a different colour, then why not make room for those of a <br /><br />different colour and a different religion? Easy! Those who oppose such a development were labelled "racists" <br /><br />and "xenophobes" - an appeal to our shared belief in toleration, and mostly instigated by those that had most to gain by allowing and indeed encouraging such immigration.Anonymous the 1stnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-4573177721958434512009-08-07T13:59:52.047+00:002009-08-07T13:59:52.047+00:00Slobodan Milosovic was also a secular humanist. He...Slobodan Milosovic was also a secular humanist. He wanted a Kosovo "for decent people everywhere", he also believed Radovan Karadzic of Republic Srbska was an "extremist".<br /><br />The Secular Humanists, more than having lost the war, they started it by inviting mass immigration of Muslims in the first place.Homophobic Horsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-2883506822876994652009-08-07T13:51:56.780+00:002009-08-07T13:51:56.780+00:00Malik's whole article is another specious set ...Malik's whole article is another specious set of ad hominems of which we have come to expect the immigration apologist cranks.<br /><br />"There are no such things as ‘European values’, of course. What has eroded is faith in the idea that it is possible to win peoples of different backgrounds to a common set of secular, humanist, Enlightened values. And that is the real problem: not immigration, nor Muslim immigration, but the lack of conviction in a progressive, secular, humanist project."<br /><br />*spit*<br /><br />Just two points about that evil paragraph.<br /><br />1. The phrase "Enlightenment Values" has no intellectual pre-history at all. It's a hard left, politically correct canard. There is no such thing as Enlightenment Values as much as there is no such as it's vaguely right-wing twin "European Values". There is such a thing as <i>Ethnos</i>, which will form the core of opposition to Islamization, as it was in Serbia. But this is censured as "racism" and Serbia was subjected to a "humanitarian bombing campaign".<br /><br />2. "but the lack of conviction in a progressive, secular, humanist project."<br /><br />The key word there is <i>conviction</i>, they want you to believe and obey another religion, the religion of Secular Humanism. A self defeating public/secualr religion. Ironically it permits the advance of Islam, because how enlightened is it to prevent the building of Mosques? Which means Islamisation will go on as normal.Homophobic Horsenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-2163526017861030962009-08-07T13:47:25.309+00:002009-08-07T13:47:25.309+00:00I just heard the same prog.
They tried to refute ...I just heard the same prog.<br /><br />They tried to refute an alarmist vid that claims that the Muslims are outbreeding us. The timeline was what was alarmist, it might be out by a few decades.<br /><br />They also attacked the fertility angle. Deriding the claim that Muslims have higher fertility rates. Their great counterblast was that fertility rates in Europe have been rising recently.<br /><br />And why is that?<br /><br />Well they didnt say and quite forgot to break down the figures by ethnicity.<br /><br />I suspect, as many of us do, that those rising fertility rates are due to immigrants, many of whom are Muslims. But thats OK 'we' don't need to worry because UK fertility is rising.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-55095181648695889512009-08-07T13:07:02.837+00:002009-08-07T13:07:02.837+00:00Just listened to this programme refuting claims th...Just listened to this programme refuting claims that Europe is on the way to Islamification, based on stats quoted in a YouTube video:<br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00lxh3t<br /><br />Now why would the BBC devote a large part of a Radio 4 programme to refuting the claims of one YouTube video? The arguments they cite are based purely on demographic factors - no mention of the disproportionate influence that Muslims have in our society, amongst other things.Trofimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02471793476279541681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-76333601437230461522009-08-07T12:21:41.944+00:002009-08-07T12:21:41.944+00:00I wonder how many books their are on Multicultural...I wonder how many books their are on Multiculturalism? 500?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-5093171795475183722009-08-07T11:55:26.028+00:002009-08-07T11:55:26.028+00:00A bleak last sentence, Laban, but sadly it will co...A bleak last sentence, Laban, but sadly it will come to pass...very soon.<br /><br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com