tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post116893892075707193..comments2024-03-27T21:30:35.824+00:00Comments on UK Commentators: Channel 4 DispatchesLabanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12031578024191117985noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169143329721729142007-01-18T18:02:00.000+00:002007-01-18T18:02:00.000+00:00Umbongo,The Huguenots who came to East London were...Umbongo,<BR/><BR/>The Huguenots who came to East London were largely from Northern France, I think. The English are a Northern European people, genetically close enough to absorb other Northern Europeans in fairly substantial numbers.<BR/><BR/>Understand, it is an issue of genetic distance.<BR/><BR/>(My ancestors, as it happens, are Norman - Norsk-French - as well as Saxon. And yes, we have the famous recessive gene running in the family).<BR/><BR/><I>Well I don't feel threatened by this tiny Jewish minority</I><BR/><BR/>Do please read Culture of Critique, and then tell us how you feel. And think a little about the possession of power, wealth and intelligence, as well as numbers.<BR/><BR/><I>nor am I on a mission to "purify" Britain's blood.</I><BR/><BR/>"Purify" ... ah, seig hiel, the Nuremburg Laws and all that. But please do not inflate what I said for the purpose of ridiculing it. This is really no better than lying.<BR/><BR/>The word, anyway, is "preserve", not "purify". The preservation of English genetic integrity does not, I think, lead to the Nazi bastard-state.<BR/><BR/>The question is, why can't you follow the logic of where it <I>does</I> lead? Why do you throw up that little deception? Why, indeed, do you need "Sikhs and Hindus as well as Jews" among us? Nations are not built on a common tendency to obey the law. They are built on ethny.Guessedworkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642216100948501067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169140360233876072007-01-18T17:12:00.000+00:002007-01-18T17:12:00.000+00:00A "small" minority, unless added to by immigration...A "small" minority, unless added to by immigration, generally stays small no matter what its birth rate because, in the end, they disappear into the majority. Let me confess an interest here. Apparently - although difficult to prove - in my ancestry is a Huguenot who came here in the 17th century. About 50,000 Huguenots came here at the same time. I imagine GW's ancestors were awfully put out. But where are the Huguenots now?<BR/><BR/>Actually their descendants are still here but as a distinct community they've disappeared. So "minorities" don't always grow nor are they always "trouble". Of course the Huguenots accepted <I>my</I> conditions for newcomers - they obeyed the rules of the country (written and unwritten) and stayed a small minority (and then disappeared). The Jews - although they can speak for themselves - seem to me to have done the same: according to <A HREF="http://www.sovereignty.org.uk/features/articles/immig.html" REL="nofollow"> this site</A> 120,000 came here at the end of the 19th century and the present Jewish population is 285,000 and falling. Well I don't feel threatened by this tiny Jewish minority but then I'm not paranoid nor am I on a mission to "purify" Britain's blood. <BR/><BR/>OTOH the incidence of high levels of Muslim immigration has been exacerbated by a remarkably high birth rate. Even so had we accepted South Asian/African immigration in the thousands rather than the hundreds of thousands I daresay I would have been as relaxed about that (and the attendant high birth rate)as I was (and am) about the Ugandan Asian Amin-enforced immigration. I'm not relaxed because it seems that Islam itself prevents observant Muslims not just integrating (which probably religiously observant Jews are prevented from doing) but demands that observant Muslims actively change the society in which they live to align with sharia law. The law of the Jews, although I stand to be corrected, does not demand the same of the Jews. Also - as Verity notes of Sikhs and Hindus as well as Jews - they tend to obey the law and, incidentally, not blow up tube trains.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169136775874212022007-01-18T16:12:00.000+00:002007-01-18T16:12:00.000+00:00Dave - Wrong. The reason Sikhs and Hindus do not ...Dave - Wrong. The reason Sikhs and Hindus do not cause problems and, indeed, are net contributors to our society, is nothing to do with their numbers. Their social system, like that of the Jews, is law-abiding. End of story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169126141436331802007-01-18T13:15:00.000+00:002007-01-18T13:15:00.000+00:00dave,I am asserting the moral right of the English...dave,<BR/><BR/>I am asserting the moral right of the English to England. If we have to fight for that then of course I will. To fight and die is more fitting and honourable than simply acquiescing in a slow, ineluctable process of dispossion and deracination - however ameanable that is to our inky, watery friend.<BR/><BR/>But understand, the fight today is not against aggressors on our living space. It is against the liberal zeitgeist and the power elite.<BR/><BR/>In that respect, incidentally, we only seem weak. Liberalism is all-pervasive and the elite is dominant. But when you look at that Swindon thread you see that the real English are not ready for racial suicide. The desire to survive as a people is palpable - and must be harnessed by the intellectuals and activists of the meta-right.<BR/><BR/>Squiddy,<BR/><BR/>As with the "bloke" ...<BR/><BR/>Do you want you to live in a cosmopolitan society located geographically in Europe and in which you are decidely not the only minority? Or do you want to live in a strong, healthy and heterogenous European society?<BR/><BR/>I'd love to hear the answer to that.Guessedworkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642216100948501067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169091496419796102007-01-18T03:38:00.000+00:002007-01-18T03:38:00.000+00:00But GW, if you kept on fighting with people geneti...But GW, if you kept on fighting with people genetically different from yourself you could continue until you were the only one left, is that what you want?<BR/><BR/>In the animal kingdom this does not happen, they compete with each other but at the same time they want broadly similar people to survive as well. This is why your complaints don't hit a cord with most people, we naturally want others to survive too. We are not as hostile as foreigners as you would think or like, as long as there is enough room for us too, and since most whites don't have kids there is plently of room..<BR/>Its the sexual revolution that has destroyed us. While peoples with a more 'traditional' view of the family have flourished.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169083391289330662007-01-18T01:23:00.000+00:002007-01-18T01:23:00.000+00:00Not everything good & true just that its fair to a...Not everything good & true just that its fair to ask that perhaps you might have group interests that may conflict with those of the host population.<BR/><BR/>Good to hear thats not true in your case, a true Brit. I take it then you are favour of strong immigration controls and not some cop out libertarian stance on the issue.<BR/><BR/>BlokeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169077364592892442007-01-17T23:42:00.000+00:002007-01-17T23:42:00.000+00:00To Umbongo and Dave,Surely in speaking here to you...To Umbongo and Dave,<BR/><BR/>Surely in speaking here to you I am not in the same position as Nick Griffin, having to take account of the grip of the liberal zeitgeist on the public mind. For myself, I am quite free of it, and try to speak to others on the assumption of their freedom also. I assume that you, like me, feel no obligation but to the empirical truth - however hard-edged it may seem.<BR/><BR/>The most fundamental and eternal truth of life is that all living organisms seek to survive. Peoples, however discrete, are no more than living organisms with their own shared interest in survival. This is an ultimate interest - not a proximate interest like prosperity or curried chicken.<BR/><BR/>This stunningly uninteresting fact should mean nothing to a people secure in its island home - and for a millenium it did mean nothing. But the last six decades have progressively broken down our security, and made inevitable a loss of genetic integrity and of the right to live sovereign in one's own land that would have been unthinkable before.<BR/><BR/>We did not ask to be changed slowly into another people. It is the gravest affront, a soft genocide. It has been visited upon us by a <A HREF="http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_problem_of_the_power_elite/" REL="nofollow" TITLE="traitor class">traitor class</A>, and it is for them that I reserve my anger - not the hapless immigrants.<BR/><BR/>Those immigrants, however, also have an indelible ethnic interest in survival. You must understand the Manichean nature of this. Orderly Chinese, educated Brahmins and culturally Western Jews still pursue their own interests in vigorous if unconscious competition with ours. It doesn't work any other way, which is why India, China and Israel do not have our open borders. Their political class is still loyal.<BR/><BR/>Visit MR's threads from time to time and debate there on anything you find of interest. I guarantee you will leave richer than you came.Guessedworkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642216100948501067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169069479431597462007-01-17T21:31:00.000+00:002007-01-17T21:31:00.000+00:00guessedworker, I think thats where you lose a lot ...guessedworker, I think thats where you lose a lot of would be patriots.<BR/><BR/>I hate the governments open border immigration policies because they don't distinguish between good and bad immigrants. But you are effectively the same..<BR/><BR/>We must be able to make sensible judgements about people and whether or not they can fit in to this country and if they do they its fine by me to let them in.<BR/>Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims are not all the same race. Indian Muslims are the descendants of Arab and Afghan invaders. There are many races in India.<BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_groups_in_India_%28historical_definitions%29" REL="nofollow">Race in India</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>I can't agree with Umbongo either, the reason these other groups don't cause the same problem as Muslims is simply down to birth-rates. Muslims have an exploding population of emboldened young men, any of these other groups would be making demands too if they were in the same position. Perhaps not in the same way, but even so they would be making themselves heard.<BR/><BR/><BR/>The problem is simply a degrading of British culture in combination with so many immigrants that they can't be assimilated.<BR/><BR/>We need a dramatically lower level of immigration, and only from friendly countries or regions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169068937601831932007-01-17T21:22:00.000+00:002007-01-17T21:22:00.000+00:00The media haven't time to dwell on channel 4 Dispa...The media haven't time to dwell on channel 4 Dispatches as they're all filling their pants over the crazy BB furore.<BR/><BR/>If it weren't so bloody cold outside I'd be out on the streets burning the Pakistani flag......on second thoughts...no I wouldn't, I'm just as apathetic as the rest of this country.....but I'm angry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169057757034175902007-01-17T18:15:00.000+00:002007-01-17T18:15:00.000+00:00Umbongo said.. 'and (2) they remain (when a distin...Umbongo said.. 'and (2) they remain (when a distinct and separate community) a very small minority'. What happens when they become a much larger minority or even, in some areas, a majority? I too was fairly relaxed about immigration to begin with. It was only when i realised what the full implications were for not only now but the future that I started to change my position. If not at Guessedworker's 'no compromise' then where's the line drawn? There are some immigrants I like, some I most definitely don't. At present I'm not very happy that the area I live in has become predominately ethnic. What can or should or could be done? Despite the massive amounts of criticism (to put it mildly) that the BNP receive I see their approach as being the most sensible in the circumstances. This being; no to any future immigration or asylum (except in the case of an Irish, French etc case of emergency); the deportation of all foreign criminals, failed asylum seekers and illegal immigrants; opportunities for recent arrivals to return to their homelands with grant assistance if they so desire and the abolishment of all 'positive discrimination' etc. In the process British cultural norms will be reestablished and certainly such things as halal slaughter methods would be unlikely to be allowed to continue (how great would it be to see the usual liberal left suspects demonstrating for Muslim rights to cruelly slaughter livestock?). That would be a start at least.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169055123229365772007-01-17T17:32:00.000+00:002007-01-17T17:32:00.000+00:00Well it's one thing to defend our home, it's quite...Well it's one thing to defend our home, it's quite another to sling out everybody who hasn't been here for, what, 10 generations and fails a racial purity test as guessedworker seems to suggest. I am quite happy to welcome into my home anyone from anywhere on two conditions (1) they accept that this is <I>my</I> home and <I>my</I> rules apply and (2) they remain (when a distinct and separate community) a very small minority. That is why, unlike guessedworker, I am happy to welcome "well-mannered Chinese" or Jews or anybody else who obeys my conditions.<BR/><BR/>That being said, I expect Jews to look kindly on Israel, I expect Catholics to favour the Vatican, Poland, Italy etc, I expect Muslims to support Palestinians. Closer to home Mrs Umbongo has a soft spot for the Isle of Man where many of her ancestors came from. What I do not anticipate is that Jews will try to create a Jewish state in Britain or "betray" our interests to those of Israel, that the British Chinese will turn Britain into China or Taiwan or that Mrs Umbongo will attempt to turn London into another Douglas, IoM. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, as far as I'm led to believe, Islam demands that all states where Muslims are present in any number must be a sharia-driven entity. Under Elizabeth I, the then Pope made life impossible for English Catholics in that you couldn't be both loyal to the Queen and a good Catholic. It appears that, if my understanding of the underlying political construct demanded by the Koran is correct, you cannot both be loyal to our present constitutional arrangements, accept and live by the general norms of civilised life in the West <I>and</I> be a good Muslim. Therein lies the difference and the problem. Denying that this is a problem - as most of our politicians do - creates a worse problem. Tolerating the ranters we saw on TV last Monday night is a demonstration of the weakness of the authorities: either the police know this is going on and do nothing or, possibly worse, they do not know this is going on and care less.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169047867464862922007-01-17T15:31:00.000+00:002007-01-17T15:31:00.000+00:00VBerity,We don't want to see the genetic integrity...VBerity,<BR/><BR/>We don't want to see the genetic integrity of our people altered at all, or their living space compromised. It makes no difference whether the aggressors are Pakistanis, Indians, Africans or well-mannered Chinese. This is <I>our home</I>, sacred alone to us. We cannot share it with the Third Word, whatever its religion. No compromise.Guessedworkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09642216100948501067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169044764988257432007-01-17T14:39:00.000+00:002007-01-17T14:39:00.000+00:00Julia M makes a very good point. I too read the c...Julia M makes a very good point. I too read the comments by Swindon Sikh and the responses of the indigenes and I too was heartened. Apart from the young man who came in with a personal example of Sikh gallantry, other people swarmed in assuring him of their respect for Sikhs and Hindus. In fact, I get the feeling that Sikhs and Hindus are specifically <I>liked</I> in Britain, for their good humour, their diligence and their culture of obeying the law.<BR/><BR/>The government is going to have to face the fact - not that Tony Blair will face it as long as he sees his future with a Saudi financed Blair Foundation (like Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton) - that islam is a violent, primitive cult designed for conquering and oppression. Look at any violence in the world, from southern Thailand to the Philippines to Russia, Britain, France, Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Canada, the United States, Australia and it is being prosecuted by muslims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169035230285443372007-01-17T12:00:00.000+00:002007-01-17T12:00:00.000+00:00Have I missed something? What has the Governments ...Have I missed something? What has the Governments response to the programme been. Surely arrests should be made. There were clearly several criminal offences shown. Reverse the roles and swap preacher for BNP councilor and 'kuffar' for Muslim. MP's and police chiefs would be queueing up to make sure 'justice was done' etc etc.Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169029543877778492007-01-17T10:25:00.000+00:002007-01-17T10:25:00.000+00:00"From this site, I can see that there is a vast, p...<I>"From this site, I can see that there is a vast, powerful underswell of indigenous British rage.."</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, that certainly comes through! Also telling was the comment from someone calling themselves 'Swindon Sikh': "These muslims are a disgrace and giving all asians a bad name. You dont see us sikhs or the hindhus going round doing this yet were all tied to the same brush"<BR/><BR/>Gratifyingly, this poster was then assured by another poster: "a young Sikh lad tried his very best to protect my son from the Muslim gang, risking getting beat up himself. If you are reading this, you will know who you are and you are a decent human being and thank you for what you did. We know who the troublemakers are and it's not the Sikhs or Hindus."<BR/><BR/>So this is NOT anything to do with racially prejudiced native Britons, and this little exchange should be shoved in the face of anyone who dares to raise it as a means of pooh-poohing the legitimate concerns of parents at the schoool.<BR/><BR/>Worryingly, there is also a large undercurrent of distrust of/contempt for the police handling of this matter. <BR/><BR/>This should concern the police a great deal. I wonder if it does...?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1169006385236087552007-01-17T03:59:00.000+00:002007-01-17T03:59:00.000+00:00"Where ever the Muslims are being oppressed the sa...<I>"Where ever the Muslims are being oppressed the salfi wahabbi are there even the shias are there, fighting against the oppressors..."</I>.<BR/><BR/>Wherever muslims are being oppressed? Or wherever muslims are attempting to oppress other people, as they have, militantly and with great cruelty, since their religion was invented?<BR/><BR/>I'd like to see a list of countries/states/shires/communities where muslims are "being oppressed". They are the annointed of the left. Tell me where they're being oppressed and I will move there in a heartbeat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168996127792120342007-01-17T01:08:00.000+00:002007-01-17T01:08:00.000+00:00Mr Scruffy - thanks for the link.Mr Scruffy - thanks for the link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168995976776224212007-01-17T01:06:00.000+00:002007-01-17T01:06:00.000+00:00Mr Scruff - Thanks very much for that link. It is...Mr Scruff - Thanks very much for that link. It is horrifying and an example of, first,how the rule of law has been shut down in Britain to appease muslims via Tony Blair who says he has "read the koran" - liar. It's not a book you curl up with on a rainy day and read straight through.<BR/><BR/>Second for the degraded level of English spoken by everyone on that site. There wasn't one post posted in real English.<BR/><BR/>From this site, I can see that there is a vast, powerful underswell of indigenous British rage, though, no matter their level of English comprehension. They are furious.<BR/><BR/>(And why cannot these indigenes speak their mother tongue? Perhaps too difficult for some ethnics, given they live in homes where only one - if they're lucky - parent speaks English. So the schools have dumbed down to accommodate them.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168987783194307582007-01-16T22:49:00.000+00:002007-01-16T22:49:00.000+00:00verity -> and also, dont forget the term "takfiri"...verity -> and also, dont forget the term "takfiri"<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takfiri<BR/><BR/>takfirism was used by the madrid bombers to give themselves deep deep cover.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168987163767773812007-01-16T22:39:00.000+00:002007-01-16T22:39:00.000+00:00get a load of the comment thread on this - local s...<A HREF="http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/headlines/display.var.1122654.0.0.php" REL="nofollow">get a load of the comment thread on this</A> - local swindon newspaper. bit of a comment storm breaking out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168978456519863312007-01-16T20:14:00.000+00:002007-01-16T20:14:00.000+00:00Guardian Apostate writes: "How do you get through...Guardian Apostate writes: "How do you get through to people like him? How do you make them understand?"<BR/><BR/>You tell him you are not going to vote for him and you are advising your family and friends of his anti-British, anti-democracy attitude. <BR/><BR/>Most worrying is the willful ignorance of British lefties. They know nothing of taqqya and kitman. They don't know that it's fine with allah to swear a lie on their koran, as long as it's in the service of promoting islam. <BR/><BR/>Taqqya and kitman are formal systems of lying to fool the kaffir. Taqqya (spelled several ways, if you decide to Google it) is simple lies. Say anything you like. It's not a sin to lie to an infidel. Kitman is deceit by omission. I can't think of an example just now. But you give some reassurance, and leave out the critical fact. They formally learn how to do this.<BR/><BR/>In many - perhaps all - islamic countries today, it is legal for a man to marry a little nine-year old girl. So, all this and institutionalised paedophilia, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168976767824445132007-01-16T19:46:00.000+00:002007-01-16T19:46:00.000+00:00An important point that most in the West don't und...An important point that most in the West don't understand is that it is the 'radicals' featured last night who are the ones who are most accurately reflecting the tenets and nature of large parts of Islam and the Koran. It's the moderates who have to ignore (the 'interpretation' option just doesn't seem viable where Islam and the Koran are concerned) much of Mohammed's message. Whenever I see a smooth talking 'moderate' Muslim I can't help thinking that this is a person who must surely revere Mohammed, follow the Koran etc with all that entails. The misogyny, intolerance, violence, murder, sex with minors and as Verity pointed out, the divinely sanctioned ability to lie in the name of Allah. As has been pointed out before, there's the faster jihad and the slower jihad. It seems to me that the major difference between those highlighted in last night's programme and so called moderates is that the moderates would prefer the slower option with violence cut down to a minimum. Assuming the slower option held sway what would Bradford, Birmingham and London be like in 30 years time? 1976 was the time of punk rock. What will 2036 be like? <BR/><BR/>One final point. If anyone was wondering who the Labour MP, shown in a clip professing to be a friend of Islam, was, well it's my local MP, Rob Marris. No surprise to me to see him pop up. I emailed him once with a mild criticism about multiculturism. His response was to completely ignore any of the points or questions I raised and dismiss me in a sentence by likening my views to his predecessor Enoch Powell. How do you get through to people like him? How do you make them understand?Harry Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08299538663895557942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168970955852241762007-01-16T18:09:00.000+00:002007-01-16T18:09:00.000+00:00Voyager - oh,certainly; it reinforces their alien ...Voyager - oh,certainly; it reinforces their alien Weltanschauung. However, I don't think it should be banned. I do, though, think there has to be a clear-out of muslims because they are disruptive and alien. Brits, by and large, unless riled, are quite gentle people. As ineed are most Europeans.<BR/><BR/>I marvel at the destruction to our societies that has been allowed to occur, and the leaders earnestly reassuring their citizenries that black is white and we are prejudiced for not wanting such an alien presence among us.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168970290617637312007-01-16T17:58:00.000+00:002007-01-16T17:58:00.000+00:00or they'd rather watch TV than be activists. Verit...<I>or they'd rather watch TV than be activists. </I><BR/><BR/>Verity......but it's satellite TV - it is Zee TV or Al-Jazeera it is TV that is alien to mainstream Britain; it is TV that reinforces another Weltanschauung.<BR/><BR/>These parents do not know what effect these TV channels have on their childrenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5187043.post-1168965254995794402007-01-16T16:34:00.000+00:002007-01-16T16:34:00.000+00:00http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/new...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=428932&in_page_id=1770<BR/><BR/>One of the 21/7 bombers pinpointed a mother with her baby in a pushchair to become the principal target of his suicide explosion, Woolwich Crown Court heard.AntiCitizenOnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00017073518049848696noreply@blogger.com